How do you beat a Vanguard?

(isnt ajunta pall the server that imps get horribly crushed in pvp everywhere?)

Rail Shot = High Impact Bolt

This is precisely the mindless baseless crap that i explicitly asked you NOT to post here. If you can't contain your ego and the idea of "i know everything i'm so good at this game" go else where. This thread was made for a constructive and intelligent discussion about players' strategies against Vanguards and that was clearly outlined prior to the thread contents.

So please, while i know you are gods gift to the PvP community, take a few moments to step away from the game and refresh your memory on how to read (since it looks like you didn't quite comprehend the first paragraph of this thread) and try to remember kindergarten when they explained to you why it's important to be respectful and polite. It's painfully obvious that you forgot that.

As a Sniper it's impossible to beat a good vanguard. Just to make it clear I'm rank 73 Valor and for me a good Vanguard is Tank Spec with DPS Gear.

If they start targeting you with that 5% armor reduction per shot skill, move away ... nothing to do here. You'll end up dying in a few secs.

Oh yeah im not worried about it. Like i said i'm not complaining that they are OP or anything. i know they're beatable. It's simply a flaw in my play style and strategy. But i think ive been able to figure it out with all the feedback from these players.


I did a few more WZ's tonight and ive been doing much better.

it's about level/gear, at 50 with all things being equal, if your cooldowns are up, you should never lose, if they aren't you still have a reasonable chance unless rail shot gets a proc binge for them.

Darkness Assassins and Marauders suffer from the burden of being overpowered. When you usually win your fights, that means you're less likely to have all your CDs for any particular fight (dying tends to give ample time for CDs to reset), so you'll be caught in a lot of undesireable matchups. There are some fights I get into where I would be telling myself, "I only need to use Overcharge Saber to beat this guy" and then found that even that isn't up and then die.

On the other hand, Vanguards are pretty much glass cannons and they die a lot. I play every character like a melee tank, even a Sorc, and yet I'll see Vanguards legitmately die more often than me playing a Sorc as a tank. But this also means each time you see a Vanguard, they probably have all their CDs up due to the amount of time they spent dead. They don't have the longevity of Marauder/Darkness, but they usually can take someone with them before they go down.

Rail Shot = High Impact Bolt

There is nothing special about HIB. It is a 1300 point shot and has a 15 second cool down, and can only be used on incapacitated/dotted targets. Gee what a game breaker that is!

Can't storm/harpoon what you can't see or when you are stunned . DOT and LOS was meant to just give a small short time advantage I'm not saying a melee class should try to LOS the whole fight.

Rail Shot is imperial name. Check your bars for High Impact Bolt.

Assault vanguards are ridiculous. My RL wanted me to respec to DPS for Bonethrasher NMM so I spent a couple of hours practising because I was worried about having to learn a new rotation. I shouldn't have been.

My ~6 button tanking rotation went down to 4 buttons. I topped DPS in every WZ despite wearing full defensive PVE tank gear and generally sucking at PVP. I had to watch ammo a little more but that was it.