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1.2 Hard Mode loot. Why raid when you can just run dailies?

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1.2 Hard Mode loot. Why raid when you can just run dailies?

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Mindsplitter
03.29.2012 , 12:33 AM | #381
Quote: Originally Posted by krinaman View Post
You keep declaring stuff as "raid gear" therefore you can only get it from a raid. But there is nothing making this gear "raid gear" other than you saying it is. In fact, the reality is you can get from other places so by your own logic it cannot be raid gear.

Heck, you can get the gear solo therefore it must be solo gear. Maybe I should start throwing a fit because you all are getting solo gear in a raid. How dare you get solo gear without soloing? They should make you raid gear that has nothing but endurance and accuracy.

See what I did there......
^ This. A great point. I'm going to pitch a tantrum about raiders getting my solo gear!

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Gformutorila
03.29.2012 , 03:08 AM | #382
Quote: Originally Posted by ValaxDarkseer View Post
1.2 PvE Gear:

"Campaign" hard Raid Gear is Rating 146 (Mod Slot 61)
"Blackhole" Corellia Commendation Gear is Rating 146 (Mod Slot 61)

Whats the point of raiding in SWTOR when I can just run some faceroll dailies and get "hard mode" raid gear.

Raiding in this game keeps getting worse not better. GW2 out yet?
Because on many servers no one is doing normal or hard mode instances.
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Ushela
03.29.2012 , 04:29 AM | #383
Because you dont want to grind dailies for 10-12 weeks to get a set a gear?

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Paokzu
03.29.2012 , 04:55 AM | #384
I love soloing. I solod to 50 with exception of 2 fights. I have many alts I'll roll the same way. But when Im capped I wanna raid, and for completeng raids the reward should be much better than just mindless grinding. If someone wants to stay in WZs or grind quests for their entire ToR experience, more power to em, but the rewards shouldn't match raiding which takes alot more to accomplish.
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03.29.2012 , 05:01 AM | #385
Quote: Originally Posted by Ushela View Post
Because you dont want to grind dailies for 10-12 weeks to get a set a gear?
Doing the ops raid content is also quite fun.
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03.29.2012 , 05:23 AM | #386
This is how i understand the Black hole gear:

Rank 146 gear will be the "Tionese" equivalent of patch 1.2 (Aka story mode)

There will be higher rated gear dropped from HM raids (and later NiM).

So maybe HM raid will drop 156 gear and NiM mode 160 gear.

I really dont see the issue with this and should make gearing up alts and casuals easier withing destroying the "elite" feel of walking about in full "Carbonara" (my own speculative name on 160 gear since i am hungry now)

It will however make Rakata gear 100% redundant.
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Remulan
03.29.2012 , 06:47 AM | #387
Gavin you should really be in favor of being able to get black hole commendations from dailies, your guild won't be getting very many from the raids themselves if you can't even beat Soa HM. Blaming it on "bugs" like "someone getting thrown while they have a lightning ball being an unavoidable wipe" means you and your guild are not nearly as skilled as you think you are. You have the attitude of a world first epeen hoar, but the skills of the server's 10th best guild at best.

This thread is full of hypocritical posts by you, which are kinda funny to read, but also makes me sad to think how many people like you exist in mmo's these days. You say in one breath that HM raids in this game are easy, but you haven't even completed them. You complain about dailies rewarding comms for top of the line gear like it matters at all when you can only get 6 a week and it isn't even for the best gear in game. And the funniest part is your guild and other guilds like yours will be running the **** out of these dailies trying to get an edge so you can complete the new raid in story mode cause you don't have the skill neccesary to do it on release and need the gear crutch.

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03.29.2012 , 06:56 AM | #388
Quote: Originally Posted by Remulan View Post
Gavin you should really be in favor of being able to get black hole commendations from dailies, your guild won't be getting very many from the raids themselves if you can't even beat Soa HM. Blaming it on "bugs" like "someone getting thrown while they have a lightning ball being an unavoidable wipe" means you and your guild are not nearly as skilled as you think you are. You have the attitude of a world first epeen hoar, but the skills of the server's 10th best guild at best.

This thread is full of hypocritical posts by you, which are kinda funny to read, but also makes me sad to think how many people like you exist in mmo's these days. You say in one breath that HM raids in this game are easy, but you haven't even completed them. You complain about dailies rewarding comms for top of the line gear like it matters at all when you can only get 6 a week and it isn't even for the best gear in game. And the funniest part is your guild and other guilds like yours will be running the **** out of these dailies trying to get an edge so you can complete the new raid in story mode cause you don't have the skill neccesary to do it on release and need the gear crutch.
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Criptic
03.29.2012 , 07:00 AM | #389
Sorry if it's been mentioned already..

I don't see a problem with casuals obtaining hard mode raid gear. If anything the appearance should be different just so the raiders can show off their work is all..... Who knows, maybe raiders may call on a couple of casuals to fill the ranks and go raid?? Thus having obtained hard mode gear as a casual will lessen the probability a casual will roll against you on raid drops...
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Raeln
03.29.2012 , 07:10 AM | #390
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
No because here is why. The Solo content I am talking about should be Different then the current dailies.

Solo content should be this. 15 to 30 minutes in a instance like event. (Story line like quest) so I can only be you and your companion. Now you can in these Solo Instances have spells for both you and your companion that now are active and Presence increases how good these spells are. (all this would need to be developed and tested over a month or 2 to get it right) in any case these instances will require you to use just about all these new spells.(remember they can only be used in solo instances no where else). Now the solo content should be tiered much like Raiding, it should take you a month or so to go from 1 to another, not hit tier cap in a week. like raiding does with lock outs.

Yes raid gear can help if you are T3 raid gear doing a T1 Solo instance as long as you have 2 or 3 pieces of solo gear. However if you are doing T3 gear you should be in at the very least half T3 Solo gear, yes the rest can be T3 raid gear. This allows players who want to raid and way to down the solo content without having to devote the same amount of time to soloing as to raiding.

Solo content should be like raiding as in it should be gated so you dont see T3 geared people after 1 week of soloing. There should be time spent = progression.

This could encourage also solo players to spend time raiding for more content.

now for why raid gear should not be only for raiding. Solo content (AKA Solo instances where you get solo epic gear from) is different then daily quest, or flashpoints, or datacron runs. These are all considered non end game well besides daily quest. However these PVE areas are meant for getting credits for repairs, or to use the GTN, or a ton of other non end game progression oriented activities. Yea they maybe be tied to it in some way its just not like you can go to the GTN work and buy T3 Raid or Solo gear.
So in short - you want raid gear to be the best for all things PvE and just throw the other players an insignificant bone to keep them quiet.

Gotcha.