Guild Progression Ranking

Yeah, I was once known as FortySeven. I did stuff, and occasionally things.

Nerf Dialogue is real mad. They took the worst of our guild and think it somehow ruined us. LOL

Thats ok. I basically put their guild together for them. Pretty sure I'm owed loyalties.

Hey Akoti, I looked into your guild and it was registered by Lisen'tia, is this a member of your guild? It seems like they got your website correct (very nice btw).

Would you like us to start disputing kills (some guilds for all of their kills) that have no screenshot, link, or any kind of proof at all?

I guess I could just leave a comment on it asking for proof, but I don't know if that would get noticed...

Thats sort of up to you. The rating and comments are your tools to improve the ratings. You could start with a comment saying screenshots are required, or if you could go ahead and dispute it. Not having screenshots is a valid reason to dispute a kill.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...231354&page=18

"We received the infernal title tonight on 16m NMM, first time in the instance as a 16m guild."

As stated by Grams of <Cali Killed Nox>


This was done on February 7th, 2012. Hmm, on the progression site they decided to change that to January 8th, 2012... almost a whole month before.


So let me get this straight: You want to get credit for kills that you did while in ANOTHER guild? That is not how this works babe. This tracks a GUILDS progression, not individual player progression.


I hope this is changed, because CKN just wants to use loopholes Its not our problem that drama ensued and caused Noxx to basically fall apart. The only thing that matters is when a specific guild gets a kill, and you WORD FOR WORD just said "first time in the instance as a 16man guild." You screwed yourselves there


Edit: Also MANY people have been disputing these kills. I noticed that it requires 50 disputes more than confirms, but doesn't that seem a bit drastic currently? I mean since the site is still trying to attract attention, can't you just edit it yourselves when PROPER proof is given that a kill is invalid?

You are right, 50 is high. I just reset the threshold to 15, and will update the FAQ to reflect this. It might be something that we will need to keep adjusting.

I would say that if people do not believe a kill to be valid then they should dispute it. As it stands that CKN kill only has 2 more disputes than confirms.

To answer an earlier question, when the community disputes a kill past the threshold several things happen. First of all that kills score is set to 0, and all ranking calculations are re-run with that kill completely omitted.

I'm also working my way through the site to find places where a guilds reputation and a kills rating can be displayed, so it is easier to see what the community thinks of a particular kill/guild.

If anyone has any suggestions for this area, ideas that would help the community with rating kills/guilds please don't be shy.

-Timelord

I know I posted all of our kills with the best estimated dates I could just so we could play with the site and have content. I have since gone back when I get more exact dates (and screenshots) and updated the kills.

That being said, there's a problem with the dispute/confirmation system. I have clearly stated my opinion on whether a guild should be able to claim kills gained under a different guild tag. In my opinion, they are different guilds. So if we leave it at that, then people are free to dispute if they agree with that sentiment (a few people have mentioned similar opinions in this thread).

The problem is MY guild is now getting disputes from CKN members because of our screenshots. (We did kill screenshots without the UI.) Retaliatory dispute votes are immature and not in the spirit of the site. I understand that the kills I have posted don't have as much support as they SHOULD, but let's be honest--they were months ago. I AM working to update our kills to be more accurate. Now, before are like "Wah qq more, so you got a dispute"... my point of posting here is that... I'm wondering if there's a way to safeguard against dispute wars causing the site to be more inaccurate.

Also, to prevent the flamewars here, perhaps it would be best for the owners of the site to take a stance: Should a guild be able to claim kills that were completed under a different guild tag?

To answer your first question. Dispute wars should be something that no single guild can do to another. That is why we use a dispute threshold that takes into account both confirms and disputes. If two equally sized guilds start a war like that, in theory neither should be able to have the numbers to push a kill across the threshold.

Now it might still happen, people do have friends. Guilds are free to delete kills and re-submit them which would start that kill off fresh. I would love to hear any suggestions others might have to mitigate these kinds of attacks. I would love it if they never happened in the first place but its not like there isn't precedence for it.

As for your last question.

When a guild disbands its progress ends, it does not continue. You might have contributed to that progress, but your current guild did not kill that boss, your old one did. An award or accomplishment follows the guild it was done by, not the individual members.

Sports analogy:

When a NFL player who has won the superbowl goes to a new team, that new team does not become superbowl champions, they just gain some talent and can hopefully prove that they can win the superbowl the next year.

I'm going to suggest the following guideline. When a boss is killed you may claim credit for the kill for your current guild tag only.