1.2 Hard Mode loot. Why raid when you can just run dailies?

Logic. For the 1000th time. A person who does not kill the raid boss does not earn the loot. I thought any person who understands logic can understand this. Why should YOU get raid loot because yes thats where this loot drop from raid bosses get the loot for not downing the boss? No one least of all me is talking about running around anywhere acting like a dumb *** with the gear on. What the problem is, is this you want the gear for no effort killing the raid boss. Earn the loot by killing the boss not by doing endless dailies or weeklies that any person that plays the game can do.

What you say STILL MAKES NO SENSE. Fine, take your raid gear with a different name, different graphic.

There is no way I can get that same look, or same named gear, without raiding.

But I can get identical gear - stats wise, doing other things.

Why do you feel that killing the same bosses 25 times with your guild, devoting countless hours of grindfest invested in raiding - should further progress you on a curve ahead of someone else that doesnt have the time, or the desire to do such things.

If those encounters TRULY are the toughest in the game, take your title, your unique LOOKING gear, and prance around all you want, showing your vast superiority over me.

If it truly is skill based, and not a gear war, I will never be able to get that title or that awesome look that you have. You can have your e-peen feel good moment every time you look at me.

This is about being able to put better performance numbers up, based on gear acquired. And as I have already stated -

Most raiders feel this way, because the thought of a casual player being more skilled, with less time to play, defelates their sensitive egos.

The thought that perhaps RAIDING is more about a groups collection of gear to mathematically overcome the encounter, vs skills and mechanics, would mean they would have to admit:

That is is not because I am a skilled player that I have all this gear. It is because I devoted X number of hours to grind it out with other members.

Your fear of what you perceive to be skill, being reduced to nothing more than mathematical certanties - based on a groups collection of gear, would shatter a lot of E-Peen raiders feeling of self -worth.

But...but...it's end game loot.

Unless you are first guild to clear something raiding is ezmode.

1. go to web and get strategy video
2. get rest of raid group to watch video
3. repeat boss fight until everyone in group gets the dance down
4. collect shiny epics

Raiding is just another end game time sink.

In case you are wondering I don't raid in swtor but raided extensivly in Wow and Rift. I don't care how people get endgame loot and always have found this argument silly.

You are exactly right. It is silly. And raiders that feel that their stats should be vastly superior to others, because they did the grind forever is driven by E-Peen superiority complexes.

It is the accomplishment that matters. Not the gear. I could run a raid encounter for the first time with identical stats as someone that ran it 30 times.

He will out perform me. Because he knows the encounter, and at that point is more skilled because of it. Practice at the encounter has made him more skilled.

However, I could run that encounter 4 more times, get the hang of it, and perform on the same level, or out perform the guy that ran it 30 times.

Why should I have to do this 25 times, 5 nights a week - just to compete in a gear war. It makes no sense.

Now if I was never able to complete the encounter, because I wasn't skilled enough - even though I have the same stats for gear. Now that is saying something. This raider truly is more skilled than me.

Take your trophy, your title, your glowing weapon, and be on your way. Congratulations, you are better than me. I am fine with that. I'm not fine with that I can't compete, simply because I didn't want to raid 20 hours a week, 5 nights a week.

**EDIT**

This is why I prefer Keys / Flags to advance. Keys and Flagging systems are a better indication of skill than a gear war. Keys and Flags to advance, show your experience and your skill. Not grinding gear until you can mathematically overcome it as a whole.

The loot doesn't drop from a raid boss. You buy it from a vendor.

It's not raid gear, it's just gear. Stop worrying about what other people have. If you only get enjoyment out of having better gear to show off on the space stations then your going to be disappointed.

And as far as gear with stats that only buff your companion, how freekin heroic is that. My companion is better then me? Your just being silly. That is NOT very heroic at all. And this is your personal story after-all.

All your chest thumping isn't going to change the fact that it's just gear. People can earn it by doing dailies over and over again, or by running Ops over and over again. Whatever floats their boat.

I'll run Ops to attain the gear faster, but I couldn't care less if some guy has the same gear I have because he persevered though countless dailies. In fact: good for him/her.

I hope you have a wonderful life.

Some people apparently believe they are somehow special, and they need "proof" to reinforce it. The act of doing something is not enough for them.

They're the exact type of person who would return a lost wallet expecting a reward, and who would get pissed off when one isn’t offered. The act of grace and kindness (the real reward) would be completely lost on them.

How other people get their gear has no effect on the way you choose to get your gear. Someone who spends all their time grinding dailes to get that hat with the same specs does NOT change the fact that you got it raiding. You had the experience of raiding, which is the only thing that matters...

Play and let play.

If you think GW2 will have better gear statwise from whatever constitutes as raiding there (if there is even raiding in it), you'll be sorely mistaken. Guild wars traditionally had the BEST gear available via vendors, with their dungeon gear being only graphically better, NOT better stat wise. From total biscuit's latest videos and commentary, it seems all their dungeon gear will give is gear with different stat weights from what the vendors have, which means they're keeping this trend in the game.

Really This is the best Argument you people can come up with is insults and not knowing what you are talking about? Really, I really do mean really? Logical Arguments not some fake insults because you cannot objectively reason.

You did not kill a hardmode raid boss therefore you should not get raid gear. Yes hardmode Raid gear comes from Tokens that drop off of hardmode raid bosses. Not, flashpoints, Not Dailies, not weeklies.
So what do you come back with? Insults saying that I or anyone else like this goes running around the space station Showing off. Why because you have no respect for raiders because what really less than 1% of raiders did that? And why because you took offense to it so now everyone that raids is like that? So that is your argument, because someone tells you since you have not downed a boss in a raid for that token tough luck join a raid you have to insult them. Sorry Dudes but really you lack any credibility.

Loppsided,
Honestly Yes how people get gear will affect me and the way I get gear. I have already heard personally from people (Not from guild members) If they give out gear without the need to raid they will take the path of least resistance and do dailies, there is even talk supposedly from some that you can sell crafted Tier gear on the GTN. I doubt this is true because I cannot get a PTS person to deny or confirm it. However in any case the attitude is already there that they do not want to have to put the effort into showing up on time and everything that is required of raiders. Basically the free riders want the free ride and pull them through or they will do dailies for the gear. Yes its good and bad at the same time.

Good because they will go play with themselves.
Bad because you do not have bench players when you need that 8th person because your core of 9 or 10 people are busy with real life stuff.

Also it makes core people who want to raid and don’t mind beating their heads against a tough *** boss say, Why the hell am I doing this when I can do 1 weekly a week and get the same gear. I only need to spend 15 minutes to do that weekly.


Now As for this all the insults and all, I want to see if anyone is capable of coming up with a LOGICAL reason why a person should not need to kill a raid boss for a raid boss token and buy a piece of gear that is set for raiding?
Now Arguments are not well is PVE gear. That’s a generalization. So is Green Gear, So is Blue gear. Come up with some critical thinking here and answer the question.
Remember Raids take more effort than Flashpoints which take more effort than solo. So you cannot use this excuses that 100 hours solo > 10 hours raiding because you cannot have someone pull you down while you are soloing. (Meaning Player B cannot keep causing you to wipe on boss JackBlack if you are soloing)

You keep declaring stuff as "raid gear" therefore you can only get it from a raid. But there is nothing making this gear "raid gear" other than you saying it is. In fact, the reality is you can get from other places so by your own logic it cannot be raid gear.

Heck, you can get the gear solo therefore it must be solo gear. Maybe I should start throwing a fit because you all are getting solo gear in a raid. How dare you get solo gear without soloing? They should make you raid gear that has nothing but endurance and accuracy.

See what I did there......