MMO vets what do you think Of Sw TOR

I played Meridian before moving on to Ultima Online > EQ > DaoC > ...

Everything you can find in SWToR, you can find better versions of in other mmos.

Normal PvE, much better in EQ, UO or even Rift, seeing an npc tell you to kill 10 guards instead of reading it, doesnt really make thatm uch differance.

Instances, i dont like th game, but theres no denying WoW probably have the best raids, HM and NM mode of instances is lazy crap programing though.

PvP, DaoC, SB, AC, UO..pretty much every game that doesnt copy WoW PvP is better, SW PvP should be massive, instead its confined to repetative warzones (FPS mapped PvP is NOT the way to go for MMORPGS!)

This dude nailed it. Too easy of a game to be honest. Where is the challenge? All of the raids have simplistic boss mechanics and the hardmodes are just a gear/dps check. PVP is a grind that rewards you for participating, you don't even need skill if you have enough man hours to get the same exact rewards as the players who take pride in their gear.

For me the 1.2 patch is the killer. I modded my BM gear so that I could hit optimal stats, didn't keep the old mods, and now i find out i can't trade my modded BM gear for WH gear? So I need to regrind BM stuff? No thanks.

I think that this game can/will be great, but right now it's just not the right game for me.

DAoC has the best PvP of any MMO out...and has been out for 10 years now...my account is still active and I still love playing DAoC.

That being said....the first MMO company that decides to copy DAoC's RvR model for a new MMO will capture 99.9% of all the serious MMO PvP players worldwide.

I like Star Wars and I believe it has a chance to be great, but imo they must put in a Open World PvP zone that you do not have too que for...then we can have guild vs guild battles, small mans roaming, 1 vs 1's, and massive zerg battles as well.

There has to be objectives (NON GEAR BASED) for this open world pvp to thrive, a relic system that grants more damage if your side holds the relic, or more xp or fasting crafter timers...there HAS to be something to get the "casual pvpers" fighting in open world. Myself? Ill pvp for no incentives if I have too because thats my favorite part of MMO's.

so far i like it.. sure they made some mistakes with the amount of servers n stuff.. but pvp is fun.. all i want is to be able to chose wich wz to join.. cant stand civil war and void star.. not enough pvp involved imo.

I've played Shadowbane, CoH, GW, EVE, and WoW. I think I'm a pretty average player, not noob but not hardcore. I PvP and PvE. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't Star Wars first off. I like the classes and the abilities, I wish there was more pvp and open world, I think the Flashpoints are cool. I wish there was more perks for being in a guild. Overall I really like it but I don't love it...yet. I'm having fun, that's what counts right?

UO - 6 months
EQ - 3 years
DAOC - 3 years
City of Heros - 1 month (wow, that game sucked!)
WOW - 7 years

In every game I've played, with the exception of UO and CoH, I've been in one of the top PvE guilds on my servers. In DAoC, I had a RR6 Champion and two RR5 Mentalists. In WOW, I played a Hunter (so no gladiator titles for me) and earned the Of The Horde title and fell just a little short of The Bloodthirsty (250k kills) due to the game just sucking.

SW has failed, thus far:

- failed at crafting (allowing Biochem and Cybertch to be top dog for so long is awful)
- done a SPLENDID job of making you enjoy your character in solo PvE/leveling
- humped the bunk on world PvP
- and has done a shoddy job of WZs and end game PvE

The thing is, though, BW delivered EXACTLY what they promised in giving us a story driven MMO. There is a lot of story to enjoy and there aer a lot of people playing it. The rest, though, is what is really killing the experience. Between the bugs, ability lag, indifferences between Repub and Imp animation delays, THREE different changes to how you obtain PvP gear, and Operations being nothing more than Flashpoints with 4 more people, its just kind of bland.

I really kind of think of SWTOR like I think of the food you see on fast food commercials. You see the big plump steamy hamburgers and they look great. Then you actually order one and they're flat, sometimes stale,a nd often soggy from sitting under a heat lamp. Sure, you got the same burger that they showed, but they've failed to deliver the expectations.

Perhaps we're all just overly critical of this game because it is Star Wars and, for those with the history, a Bioware game. Regardless of that, though, they've got a lot of work to do.

Hit the nail on the head here without question

I honestly have no idea why no gaming company can recreate this. Anyone who played back then knows that their pvp (rvr) was incomporable. It was simply the best and that should have been the industry standard instead we have been putting up with crap for 8 years +

WoW - 6 Months in BG
WAR - 3 Years
Aion - 1 Year

I've just start playing SWTOR about a month ago, but so far I'm loving it. However, just looking at what's provided for endgame I can tell I will be rolling quite a few alts on both sides to keep myself busy.

Crafting I really like. It might not have the same depth or usefulness as Aion did, but as someone with kids and strange work hours I like that I can set and forget about it.

Coming from WAR I'm a little disappointed by the lack of open world PvP, but I think we can all admit PvP is more of a niche playerbase than PvE. The WZs have been an absolute blast. Huttball is great when you're an imp player. One of the frustrations I had with WAR was if you wanted quick pops in scenarios you pretty much had to roll on whatever side was FOTM. Led to way too many alts.

The PvP combat is fun. Fights last a good amount of time, the classes seem pretty balanced, and my Pyro Merc is engaging enough. Could use a little more depth maybe. One thing I would like to see is a 10% increase on movement speed across the board: it just seems a little slow.

This. The story is just stellar. In WoW, WAR, and Aion I could really care less what my character was doing while leveling. SWTOR engages me, immerse me, and makes me care. Some of the people I know who have dropped the game admitted to spacebarring through the cutscences on their first time through, just like some people I know who dropped WAR didn't do any oRvR. Every game has a focus and if that main focus doesn't jive with you, then there is nothing the devs can do to please you. The game's just not for you.

I see myself staying here for a very long time. SWTOR is very squarely aimed at providing a good experience for more casual players and as someone with kids this is perfect.

Now that we talk pvp do any of the old timers remember tower wars in anarchy online?

that was *********** meaningfull pvp !

Every day it feels more and more cramped.
Not sure how long I can play the same 3 Wz
over and over no matter how good they are.

I was part of Rubkai's premier NT AOE bombing
squads back in the day... Good times

When I picked Jedi Guardian I thought
I was going to be like an enforcer in pvp
lol was I wrong.

Nothing will every feel as magical as
Anarchy Online in it's heyday to me.