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Devlonir
03.28.2012 , 01:57 AM | #81
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it is what it is but was marketed as something it wasn't... it's a valid thread and a valid ask. Way too much theme park and the themes aren't done particularly well at all. Where's character costumes for say the likes of Hoth... or Tatooine??

The game needs to open out a bit if it is to survive beyond a year or so. Those who fail to see it's faults and flaws will be the ones that hold this 'MMORPG' back.
Gotta love people who put their own hopes and expectations about a game as what was marketed by Bioware.

Let me be very clear on this aspect: They never marketed the game to be any kind of sandbox.. at all. Actually, they marketed the game as "Not only KotOR 3, but KotOR 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10", hinting to the 8 seperate storylines withing the game. KotOR was not, I repeat, was NOT a sandbox game but a linear, classic Bioware style themepark RPG with a story you had some impact on. You know.. just like TOR is.. but then times 8 and in a multiplayer fashion.

Same goes for space combat, all those people expecting a new Tie Fighter vs X-Wing game simply did not listen to any of the marketing done.. at all. And then complain they were mismarketed. From the get-go, Space Combat was marketed as a fun, cinematic side-game and was said to be exactly what it is: A rail shooter. Not once was any marketing done to say it would be more than that. Yet still people come and complain about what it doesn't have, while marketing clearly said what it wasn't.

People should learn how to read and understand, and not just put their wishes and desires as what was 'promised'. I actually think the best quote about this reaction comes from the much-hated WoW "Ghostcrawler promised me a pony" GC, or the lead developer, never promised anyone a pony or anything else that people said they were promised or the game should have. But people still felt entitled to get what they wanted because they felt they were promised the 'pony', while no 'pony' was ever promised.

TL;DR, Bioware never promised you a pony.
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Darth_Moonshadow
03.28.2012 , 02:00 AM | #82
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TL;DR, Bioware never promised you a pony.
I wish they did.

I wished they had given me Pinkie Pie.
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Goretzu
03.28.2012 , 02:10 AM | #83
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There is no such thing as never ending fun, so by that logic, why bother with games at all?

When the Ride ends, you just go back to the end of the line and ride it again (alts) or chill out in the rest area and chat with people (Roleplay) or hit up the Arcade and get your game on (PvP). Or you can leave and wait till new rides open up (quit till expansions).

RvR tends to be never ending fun, because it's always different.

SWTOR has a levelling ride which reaches the end at L50 and there's really not a lot to do, apart from level again.

And as I said they are now giving up on RvR with 1.2 so that means there will be even less to do at L50.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Goretzu
03.28.2012 , 02:13 AM | #84
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True. Adding Sandbox style content will not hurt.

Well designed and thought out sandbox elements can only make this game a LOT better.

However, sorry to harp on about it again, but in 1.2 they are removing RvR, they aren't adding stuff they are taking it away (possibly never to return).
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Devlonir
03.28.2012 , 02:15 AM | #85
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I wish they did.

I wished they had given me Pinkie Pie.
Many people wish more from the game, and many things will probably come over time. But I just dislike people who claim to have been promised or marketed something else than what they got.

Before this game, I was burned out thoroughly on MMO's. I wanted to give this game a chance because of two things: Bioware (who's single player RPGs I have always loved) and the Star Wars IP (Especially the Old Republic era stories which blow the ep 1, 2 and 3 out of the water). I expected a trashcan of an MMO though and was not positively excited about anything except those two facts. I followed marketing and saw what they did.. and I was expecting nothing new with voiceovers and a rail shooter. And look what I got, exactly what I expected.

Unlike many whiners and disappointed customers, I never expected this game to be the game that saves the MMO genre, or the game that shows people that SWG was actually a good game with bad management, or the game that will topple WoW within it's first quarter. All I expected was lightsabers, voice overs done by good and experience voice actors and a rail shooter. And look what I got?

Does the fact I get exactly what I expected make me a Biodrone? For some it does, for me; it makes me realistic I think.

The game has a lot more potential, and like other MMO's it will grow as long as fans keep supporting it. I expect this game to get it's own niche for a long time and eventually go F2P or close down after a couple of years.

PS. MMO's are always a niche market, no matter how much we want it to be more special. Do not forget that Fifa 12, just a next installment of yet another sports game that comes out every year, sold as much copies in the UK alone as that the MMO market leader's top subscription numbers were. Just to put things in perspective here..
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Darth_Moonshadow
03.28.2012 , 02:19 AM | #86
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Well designed and thought out sandbox elements can only make this game a LOT better.

However, sorry to harp on about it again, but in 1.2 they are removing RvR, they aren't adding stuff they are taking it away (possibly never to return).
Indeed. But in order to get there, we'd have to do it slowly, as I explained. Shoving in Sandbox all willy nilly causes a clash of interests and will just ruin the game.
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Goretzu
03.28.2012 , 02:19 AM | #87
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Many people wish more from the game, and many things will probably come over time. But I just dislike people who claim to have been promised or marketed something else than what they got.

Pretty sure we were promised RvR.
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Darth_Moonshadow
03.28.2012 , 02:21 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Well designed and thought out sandbox elements can only make this game a LOT better.

However, sorry to harp on about it again, but in 1.2 they are removing RvR, they aren't adding stuff they are taking it away (possibly never to return).
If they are removing it, it's for good reason.
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Goretzu
03.28.2012 , 02:24 AM | #89
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If they are removing it, it's for good reason.
What sort of reasoning is that?

They've admitted it's rubbish and they can't do any better...... if that's "good reason" then yes I suppose so.
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Darth_Moonshadow
03.28.2012 , 02:24 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Devlonir View Post
Many people wish more from the game, and many things will probably come over time. But I just dislike people who claim to have been promised or marketed something else than what they got.

Before this game, I was burned out thoroughly on MMO's. I wanted to give this game a chance because of two things: Bioware (who's single player RPGs I have always loved) and the Star Wars IP (Especially the Old Republic era stories which blow the ep 1, 2 and 3 out of the water). I expected a trashcan of an MMO though and was not positively excited about anything except those two facts. I followed marketing and saw what they did.. and I was expecting nothing new with voiceovers and a rail shooter. And look what I got, exactly what I expected.

Unlike many whiners and disappointed customers, I never expected this game to be the game that saves the MMO genre, or the game that shows people that SWG was actually a good game with bad management, or the game that will topple WoW within it's first quarter. All I expected was lightsabers, voice overs done by good and experience voice actors and a rail shooter. And look what I got?

Does the fact I get exactly what I expected make me a Biodrone? For some it does, for me; it makes me realistic I think.

The game has a lot more potential, and like other MMO's it will grow as long as fans keep supporting it. I expect this game to get it's own niche for a long time and eventually go F2P or close down after a couple of years.

PS. MMO's are always a niche market, no matter how much we want it to be more special. Do not forget that Fifa 12, just a next installment of yet another sports game that comes out every year, sold as much copies in the UK alone as that the MMO market leader's top subscription numbers were. Just to put things in perspective here..
I think the whole "You mismarketed" thing is spillover from Mass Effect 3. It's just a buzzword they use to justify getting what they want.
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