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Nexelau
03.27.2012 , 05:50 PM | #941
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post
The only reason the tool doesn't work right now is because nobody wants to put in the effort of MANUALLY doing it anymore.

We have reached an age of everything must be done automatically for us. Whenever I need a tank or healer for my group I don't sit there going "lf2m eternity vault healer tank whisper whisper" I go to the lfg tool and whisper all the people that are that same thing that are either consulars and troopers

It is up to the people if they want to use the tool or not. The tools are there...it's up to the poeple to use them
Like it or not, this is the reality of the situation. Demanding that people stop texting each other and instead pick up the phone and call isn't going to stop people texting, it's just going to make them look at you funny.

More than anything else people are used to connecting to others quickly, and with a minimum of fuss. Especially gamers.

Once upon a time, if I wanted to play a mulitplayer RPG or FPS, I had to know the IP address, type it in manually, wait for my modem to connect and hope it wouldn't drop out. There were so few other players I'd probably been told the IP directly, in person, by someone I knew from day to day life.

Now we have server browsers.. hell, now we have automated match making services.

If I don't want to use those tools, I don't have too, but I have no right to expect other people to inconvenience themselves because I don't like them.

Whatever some players, or even Bioware, likes.. the reality of the situation is that people expect convenience in their gaming experience these days, and Bioware will either include this or suffer subscription loss.

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Phyein
03.27.2012 , 06:23 PM | #942
Don't want a dungeon finder, and certainly don't want x-server for reasons already discussed to death. Just server merges and an overhauled LFG system similar to how WoW's was right before their DF, with a server wide channel. People really highly exaggerate the difficulty of grouping pre-DF. There really wasn't any issue.

I understand grouping at higher levels is difficult at the moment, but also realize, yes this game is still young. Most people are still hanging around lower levels. On my server tonight there were more people on Hutta and DK combined alone than there were on fleet, and believe me, finding groups for heroics or Black Talon is extremely easy. This concentration of players will slowly spread out and move higher throughout the levels with time. Do you think that in year the fleet will be just as "dead"? Of course not - in a year all the levelers will mostly be 50. As time goes on the percentage of people at 50 will keep getting higher and higher, as will the people sitting in fleet and looking for groups.

I really don't think the speed that a wow-like dungeon finder lets you run dungeons is a good thing either. When you can easily run 10 dungeons a day with one simple click the game will end up being balanced around that fact, and will become the same soulless dungeon grind that wow has become. Tell me if you queue for a heroic in WoW do you get the impression that people are in there because they enjoy it? No, everyone just wants to get their points and get it over with because they've done it 5 billion times, because they have a tool that lets them do it so easily. Getting a group together should be a bit more "special" than that.

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Moricthian
03.28.2012 , 12:46 AM | #943
Quote: Originally Posted by Phyein View Post
Don't want a dungeon finder, and certainly don't want x-server for reasons already discussed to death. Just server merges and an overhauled LFG system similar to how WoW's was right before their DF, with a server wide channel. People really highly exaggerate the difficulty of grouping pre-DF. There really wasn't any issue.

I understand grouping at higher levels is difficult at the moment, but also realize, yes this game is still young. Most people are still hanging around lower levels. On my server tonight there were more people on Hutta and DK combined alone than there were on fleet, and believe me, finding groups for heroics or Black Talon is extremely easy. This concentration of players will slowly spread out and move higher throughout the levels with time. Do you think that in year the fleet will be just as "dead"? Of course not - in a year all the levelers will mostly be 50. As time goes on the percentage of people at 50 will keep getting higher and higher, as will the people sitting in fleet and looking for groups.

I really don't think the speed that a wow-like dungeon finder lets you run dungeons is a good thing either. When you can easily run 10 dungeons a day with one simple click the game will end up being balanced around that fact, and will become the same soulless dungeon grind that wow has become. Tell me if you queue for a heroic in WoW do you get the impression that people are in there because they enjoy it? No, everyone just wants to get their points and get it over with because they've done it 5 billion times, because they have a tool that lets them do it so easily. Getting a group together should be a bit more "special" than that.
So the solution is to make it more difficult to complete group content? No thanks. Bioware has done a good job makng a variety of things to do like questing, space combat, pvp and flashpoints. If people want to just run flashpoints and nothing else, that's their decision. They should have a tool that allows this. Opposing a LFG tool because you don't want to run ten flashpoints a day is as silly as me outlawing dancing with the stars because I find the show irritating. My personal preferences shouldn't stop everyone else who enjoys the show from watching it. Let people play the way they want and you can play the way you want. No need to impose your style on everyone.

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Rikardus
03.28.2012 , 02:57 PM | #944
In expression of my opinion i think that "looking for group" tool, specially cross-realms does and will help buildin a very negative social environment among the comunity for various reasons.
This is just my experience talking, not just a random opinion.

I would like not to have this kind of tool as i appreciate working and earn what i get but if this goes ahead then please, Bioware, consider not making it cross-realms. That way you still make players life easier but they still need to care for their reputation on their server.

This game can become something big, don't spoil it with too mainstream decisions or extreme business thinking... Stay true to the feeling, "May the Force be with you."

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Kravis
03.28.2012 , 03:44 PM | #945
Please do not implement a dungeon finder... or a FP finder for that mater...
if you can't laugh at your self, know that someone else will

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Moricthian
03.28.2012 , 04:09 PM | #946
Quote: Originally Posted by Kravis View Post
Please do not implement a dungeon finder... or a FP finder for that mater...
Also, please don't include storylines and questing. We don't want to have too much fun.

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tkinnunzero
03.28.2012 , 06:34 PM | #947
I only want to group with the random people on this server I rerolled on because there wasn't any groups on the previous server. I don't want to group with those other random people who haven't decided to reroll on this server yet. When everyone has rerolled here and the queues are hours long, only then am I going to want to group with those other people too, if I can log in.

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chaosdefined
03.29.2012 , 02:54 AM | #948
Quote: Originally Posted by Rikardus View Post
This is just my experience talking, not just a random opinion.
You just contradicted yourself there...

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Kestralio
03.29.2012 , 03:02 AM | #949
i see nothing wrong with this idea, signed

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Nitewolfe
03.29.2012 , 10:59 AM | #950
Quote: Originally Posted by Rikardus View Post
In expression of my opinion i think that "looking for group" tool, specially cross-realms does and will help buildin a very negative social environment among the comunity for various reasons.
This is just my experience talking, not just a random opinion.

I would like not to have this kind of tool as i appreciate working and earn what i get but if this goes ahead then please, Bioware, consider not making it cross-realms. That way you still make players life easier but they still need to care for their reputation on their server.

This game can become something big, don't spoil it with too mainstream decisions or extreme business thinking... Stay true to the feeling, "May the Force be with you."
It is just a random opinion. Like all opinions its based off your personal experiences.
I counter your experiences with my own.
I currently use wow and rifts cross server lfg systems on a daily basis. I have played both games before and after they had such systems and seen nothing but a improvement from them being put in game.
Guilds didnt fall apart and people talked in chat the same as they did before.

Also from mt personal experiences.. server rep has never made any difference.
I hope you realize that the majority of players laughed at those that would post in chat that so and so was a ninja or bad player.
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