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1.2 Hard Mode loot. Why raid when you can just run dailies?

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1.2 Hard Mode loot. Why raid when you can just run dailies?

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Gavin_Darkl
03.27.2012 , 05:25 PM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by Raeln View Post
2.5 months of doing a weekly for one piece of gear places the carrot too far away to be of any real value.

Again, I'll have the full set long before non-raiders get their first piece on a 2.5 month time frame. It should be shortened to about a month per piece of gear.

As for the solo player needing the gear, they need it just as much as a raider does - which is to say that neither side "needs" the gear. Raiders only feel like they should get better gear because historically speaking, developers have had to bribe raiders with awesome gear just to get enough of them to show up to the raid. There is no "requirement" that the last raid boss must have a higher gear level check than the first boss.

All players need something to work towards. In a genre of gaming that is practically only centered around gear progression, what else is there for anyone to really invest time for?
No Raiders need the gear, that is how DPS get their DPS up to para to down a boss, thats how tanks get enough stats to keep alive from the damage incoming from the boss, and healers need to increase their healing output. Solo Players need None of this. There is no way to make a Solo mob fight as complex as a Raid boss fight which take 8/16 people into account. NEVER will happen. Solo Players are making their choice by not wanting to do the gear, they are not being told they can not so Tough **** they do not have a right to the gear. Its Freedom of choice for them not to do it so they are choosing not to go for the gear.

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Gavin_Darkl
03.27.2012 , 05:27 PM | #302
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenthletter View Post
Does it really matter if solo players have the same gear as raiders?

Especially when the gear is so awful looking, and the Orange Crit gear is inherently superior due to extra stats, literally no hardcore raiders will be wearing it anyway.

First of all, stop pretending like raids in this game are in any way challenging. They are not.

Second, all the shiny raid gear you're "working" for will be replaced in two to three months.

Third and finally, if you're raiding for the gear, and not for the challenge, for the strategy involved in downing new content, or for the sheer enjoyment of raiding, then you're doing it wrong.

All those players who raid strictly for the gear are the same ones that hoard DKP for their BiS items, passing on upgrades and hurting the group. That don't show up for progression bosses or on certain raid days because they "don't need those bosses" or "don't want to wipe all night", or best of all quit the game the moment their "set" is complete and then complain that there's not enough content.

When you figure it out, you'll enjoy raiding (and MMOs in general) much more.
Yes it does. We dont raid for just the challenge. We raid to become better. Solo players need to stop with the EPEEN Envy because they have not earned the gear, they feel they need to be handed the gear. If they want the gear go raid for it. quit complaining.

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Kane_Ren
03.27.2012 , 05:36 PM | #303
I never saw a solo player complain because there was no high end gear for their playstyle, but now raiders start their whining about how other people shouldnt get this or that?

pathetic

I raid and I couldnt care less if a solo player gets the same gear via a different route, its none of my business. I don't pay their sub, so I dont tell them how to play.

I'd rather have a bunch of solo players stay and buy my crafted goods on my server than it become a ghost town with just a few moronic elitists congratulating each other. Move on and play something different. Let people play how they want for what they want.
The problem with droid jesus is that he jumps around too much, you'd think he'd be a lot easier to nail down.

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Colow_Leper
03.27.2012 , 05:46 PM | #304
Quote: Originally Posted by ValaxDarkseer View Post
I agree that challenge should be the primary motivation for raiding.....of course since SWTOR raids arent challenging (unless Soa is bugged) that leaves us with only loot. Loot which we can now just run some crappy dailies and get "hard mode" epic loots.

This game just keeps getting worse.
Then leave!

Games are for fun - they're not a job - if you don't enjoy it, do something else.

All they're trying to do is make it possible for non-raiders (the "casual" players) to get some decent gear - to do it they'll probably have to grind mind-numbing amounts of dailies - but at least it'll be possible for them!

I really don't get this elitist "I'm a raider - only l33t raiders should be able to get l33t kit!"

Maybe the raid stuff will be a different colour so you can show off *shrug*.

Personally I'll get my kit from raiding - if someone else gets the same by grinding dailies for three months - more power to 'em I say.
Didn't we just leave this party?

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Gavin_Darkl
03.27.2012 , 05:50 PM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Kane_Ren View Post
I never saw a solo player complain because there was no high end gear for their playstyle, but now raiders start their whining about how other people shouldnt get this or that?

pathetic

I raid and I couldnt care less if a solo player gets the same gear via a different route, its none of my business. I don't pay their sub, so I dont tell them how to play.

I'd rather have a bunch of solo players stay and buy my crafted goods on my server than it become a ghost town with just a few moronic elitists congratulating each other. Move on and play something different. Let people play how they want for what they want.
Again. You do not need raid gear if you do not raid. We will give you presence gear all day long without a problem. And Yes Solo players keep complaining that they are not getting raid gear from solo content. Sorry Kane but you are wrong.

If people want another route to get gear a little faster to subsidize their raiding then badges with a raid boss token would be good enough.

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Gavin_Darkl
03.27.2012 , 05:53 PM | #306
Quote: Originally Posted by Colow_Leper View Post
Then leave!

Games are for fun - they're not a job - if you don't enjoy it, do something else.

All they're trying to do is make it possible for non-raiders (the "casual" players) to get some decent gear - to do it they'll probably have to grind mind-numbing amounts of dailies - but at least it'll be possible for them!

I really don't get this elitist "I'm a raider - only l33t raiders should be able to get l33t kit!"

Maybe the raid stuff will be a different colour so you can show off *shrug*.

Personally I'll get my kit from raiding - if someone else gets the same by grinding dailies for three months - more power to 'em I say.
Gain why do solo players care if they even get raid gear? Really they freely choose not to raid. Its not like that they are being forced not to raid, if they wanted to there are hundreds of raiding guilds that would love to take them on.

If non-raiders want gear presence gear is what they want not raid gear. They have not earned raid gear just by paying $15 a month. Paying $15 a month and killing a raid boss is earning the gear.

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krinaman
03.27.2012 , 05:59 PM | #307
Quote: Originally Posted by Remulan View Post
Why does it need to be reduced? The gear isn't needed for solo play, but it gives the solo player something to work towards. It gives the raiders something to do outside of raid time as well that will actually help them be better while raiding. Also, the comms come from weeklies, so you only have to actually do the dailies one day a week, not every day, perfect for the casual player.
It needs reduced because it's so absurdly long that no one will actually bother. The carrot on the end of a stick works. The carrot on the other side of the galaxy doesn't.

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Kane_Ren
03.27.2012 , 06:04 PM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
Paying $15 a month and killing a raid boss is earning the gear.
paying $15 a month and spending longer than raiders to get it IS earning it
The problem with droid jesus is that he jumps around too much, you'd think he'd be a lot easier to nail down.

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OnlyNameLeft
03.27.2012 , 06:25 PM | #309
@Gavin_Darkl

Research and find out where these comms drop... BH comms do not drop from dailies, the only way to get them on Corelia is a Weekly that gives 6 a week. Stop spreading misinformation, do your research, play your game, and quit worrying that other toon over there has what you feel you're more worthy and uber to deserve.

These are not "WoW handouts," these are things a soloist would have to invest an inordinate amount of time to grind even one piece. You, me, and anyone who raids will have the gear long before someone who relies on the Weekly will. Maybe that will soothe whatever it is that makes you so perturbed by the fact that the lowly non-raiders dare don the same digital armor as you.

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The new daily area provides the same daily commendation currency as the existing daily areas. Currently, in the new area, Black Hole Commendations are only given out on a single weekly quest. If they're being seen on the daily quests themselves, that's a bug.
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Midden
03.27.2012 , 06:26 PM | #310
Phew, these forums are full of Raid / PVP type personalities making massive drama's out of non issues.