1.2 Hard Mode loot. Why raid when you can just run dailies?

Its nice to see other people agree with me that Raiders should get their separate gear from PVPers from Solo Players.

Players like this.

Just because you pay $15 a month does not mean you should be given the content via mail or single player content. This is an MMO, Raiding is Mutliplayer content, therefore the gear reflects Mutliplayer stats. PVP is Mutliplayer content this too reflect mutliplayer stats. BW was nice enough to create a stat which is All for soloing, ask for gear of that stat if you wish

6 Hours raiding does not equal there 10 hours solo. Yea Ok where is the logic here? In A raid if a tank can not handle his role as a tank Your Group Fails and does not down a boss, therefore you are not just handed the boss kill and gear. You can be doing everything possible to down the boss like not standing in fire however 1 other person not handling themselves can cause you not to get the gear. Soloing dailies places all failure or success on your shoulders, you do not have 7 or 15 other people that you need to count on to do a daily. You have YOURSELF and you COMPANION, You control the situation and the result no one else does. Sorry but your 10 hours is meaningless when you have full control weather you clear the dailies or not, you are not counting on a single other person.

Again if Solo players want Solo presence gear I am all for it, however they feel entitled to Raid gear without having to raid.

Did the only smuggler in our raid really "earn" the 4 pieces of Rakata the hardmode bosses in EV dropped last week?

Yes, he got 4 pieces of Rakata during one lockout. The rest of us were kinda like... "hey, where's our loot?" Sadly, only one other token dropped that was non-smuggler.

I've participated in these discussions on these forums, the Rift forums and the WoW forums and I do not remember a single serious poster ever asking for gear to be mailed to them for just logging in.

Hyperbole is working against you here.

With a group of friends, I'd rather play 6 hours and walk away with gear than play for 10 hours solo and walk away with almost nothing.

Our guild smuggler earned 4 pieces of Rakata for 1.5 hours investment. It is simply not possible to have that kind of luck anywhere else in the game. It requires 30 to 40 hours of playtime doing dailies to earn enough commendations to buy one single Rakata ear/implant piece.

Something seems off in that comparison. At some point, investing 30 to 40 hours of game time (20 days * 1.5/2 hours a day) deserves some kind of reward. Sure, most people are not going to win 4 pieces of raid loot in one night - yet, it happened. It is possible in raiding. It is not possible anywhere else.

I'm a raider. I disagree with you. I think all forms of PvE end game should be able to earn all PvE gear, given enough investment. I'm fine with raiding being the quickest path to the gear but dailies/soloing should certainly be able to work toward that goal also.

Not all Solo players are always Solo players.

I like to do my dailies solo so I can watch Netflix and Hulu - yet I raid two nights a week and run Flashpoints. Currently, there is very little reason to do dailies other than for the credits. It would be nice if doing dailies and running Flashpoints still contributed in some minor part to my gearing up for raiding.

If it continues to not have any benefit, then eventually I will no longer need credits (I'm already there actually. What good are a million credits after you've bought all the cargo bays?) and then what do I have to do until the raid lockouts reset? Log off and play something else? That's hardly a good business plan for a MMO. While I fully acknowledge that no MMO should try to provide 24/7 entertainment - there needs to be more than 4 to 5 hours of entertainment per week and that is just about all that I have left outside of leveling more alts - and I'm waiting until 1.2's Legacy system to do that.

There are other reasons as to why to allow the general playerbase access to high end PvE gear as well but I really don't think you are interested in them.

The way they have 1.2 set up is perfect.

Raiders will get everything first, as they should, while solo players can work towards the gear eventually.

It will take a solo player over a MONTH to afford 1 item, the cheapest one available. To get an actual armor piece will take over 2.5 MONTHS of dailies. Someone spending that much time doing dailies deserves the pittance that they are given.

Really?

So you think 70 days of 1.5 to 2 hours a day - or 105-140 hours of gameplay is what it takes to earn one piece of end-game gear?

Average that to 122.5 hours of dailies - that is equivalent to me raiding 24.5 weeks at 5 hours per week. I'm pretty sure I could gear all my alts in full Rakata/T3/T4 in 24.5 weeks of raiding. Which is incidentally, 6 months of me raiding.

I think the amount of time to earn one piece of gear through dailies needs to be reduced a bit.

Why does it need to be reduced? The gear isn't needed for solo play, but it gives the solo player something to work towards. It gives the raiders something to do outside of raid time as well that will actually help them be better while raiding. Also, the comms come from weeklies, so you only have to actually do the dailies one day a week, not every day, perfect for the casual player.

You run dailies now for Rakata Implants and Earpieces. Some crafted gear is also the best in the game. Some of you are overreacting. "Oh 60 people in my guild canceled subs because of this". They definitely all came from WoW. HARDCORRREE BRO!

2.5 months of doing a weekly for one piece of gear places the carrot too far away to be of any real value.

Again, I'll have the full set long before non-raiders get their first piece on a 2.5 month time frame. It should be shortened to about a month per piece of gear.

As for the solo player needing the gear, they need it just as much as a raider does - which is to say that neither side "needs" the gear. Raiders only feel like they should get better gear because historically speaking, developers have had to bribe raiders with awesome gear just to get enough of them to show up to the raid. There is no "requirement" that the last raid boss must have a higher gear level check than the first boss.

All players need something to work towards. In a genre of gaming that is practically only centered around gear progression, what else is there for anyone to really invest time for?

Does it really matter if solo players have the same gear as raiders?

Especially when the gear is so awful looking, and the Orange Crit gear is inherently superior due to extra stats, literally no hardcore raiders will be wearing it anyway.

First of all, stop pretending like raids in this game are in any way challenging. They are not.

Second, all the shiny raid gear you're "working" for will be replaced in two to three months.

Third and finally, if you're raiding for the gear, and not for the challenge, for the strategy involved in downing new content, or for the sheer enjoyment of raiding, then you're doing it wrong.

All those players who raid strictly for the gear are the same ones that hoard DKP for their BiS items, passing on upgrades and hurting the group. That don't show up for progression bosses or on certain raid days because they "don't need those bosses" or "don't want to wipe all night", or best of all quit the game the moment their "set" is complete and then complain that there's not enough content.

When you figure it out, you'll enjoy raiding (and MMOs in general) much more.

Sorry but no, if you do not raid you do not need raid gear. Which is what many other raiders have said. Give them Solo gear end of story.

Sorry but People are quitting over this. People came here from WoW because they were tired of the Hand outs, if people want handouts WoW is -> That way.