All this 1.2 QQin about NERFs...Wat about Ops/Scoundrel?

No.

You might be talking about that.

I'm talking about the guy that PvPs in his off-time when he's not raiding, but he actually knows how to play his class, and dominates because of it.

There are plenty of videos on youtube of operatives/scoundrels beasting their way to the top damage with 0 deaths. I see BM operatives and scoundrels on my server regularly making top/near top damage with next to no deaths and plenty of contribution to objectives.

It simply doesn't take a player on "that next level" that you insist on describing to make this class successful. Sorry.

You've just described me.

But the thing is Celebrus, I'd be doing this with any class I play, because thats just what I do.

I do however know that I could do it much, much better as an assassin. There are serious class imbalances now, and come 1.2 the differences in power between the two classes will be even more pronounced.

Operatives are not horrible. Definitely not.

They're simply leaning towards underpowered when compared with assassins/shadows NOW, rendering the coming 1.2 nerfs totally unneccesary and offensive to most of the community, myself included.

Isn't it great that preference, personal enjoyment, and friends still have more of an impact on where you go in this game than which class is FOTM?

I played a rogue for months in competitive play during cata knowing full well that I would get where I wanted to be faster playing a frost mage, but I enjoyed it more, so thats what I did. In LK I played a rogue knowing that I would do better playing a ret pally. In BC I played a rogue knowing full well that I would do better playing a BM hunter. I liked it more, despite any perceived problems it had. No matter what game you're playing, at what time, or what class you're playing within that game, the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side.

The imbalances you speak of exist in every game, they are a constant struggle that MMO developers deal with, but at the end of the day, there will still be operatives in competitive play, because operatives simply aren't as broken as people HERE are describing them, because it's viable, because people who would play "any class at a high level" choose to play the operative/scoundrel and enjoy it.

Isn't it great that preference, personal enjoyment, and friends still have more of an impact on where you go in this game than which class is FOTM?

I played a rogue for months in competitive play during cata knowing full well that I would get where I wanted to be faster playing a frost mage, but I enjoyed it more, so thats what I did. In LK I played a rogue knowing that I would do better playing a ret pally. In BC I played a rogue knowing full well that I would do better playing a BM hunter. I liked it more, despite any perceived problems it had. No matter what game you're playing, at what time, or what class you're playing within that game, the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side.

The imbalances you speak of exist in every game, they are a constant struggle that MMO developers deal with, but at the end of the day, there will still be operatives in competitive play, because operatives simply aren't as broken as people HERE are describing them, because it's viable, because people who would play "any class at a high level" choose to play the operative/scoundrel and enjoy it.

Celebrus does have a point that people are overstating the case a bit about how operatives are terrible/useless.

But thats to be expected because people are angry, and rightfully so.

His point is pretty moot, because classes in WoW have rarely been underpowered to the point where there is litterally no reason to bring classes into both PvE and PvP due to them being outshined in every way. If a class is bad in PvP, it generally shines in PvE and vice versa (Hunters, Rogues).

The only classes in WoW that have been as broken as Operatives are now could have been Pallys at the start, but that is all I can think of.

I played a rogue for months in competitive play during cata knowing full well that I would get where I wanted to be faster playing a frost mage, but I enjoyed it more, so thats what I did. In LK I played a rogue knowing that I would do better playing a ret pally. In BC I played a rogue knowing full well that I would do better playing a BM hunter. I liked it more, despite any perceived problems it had. No matter what game you're playing, at what time, or what class you're playing within that game, the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side.

Bad WoW comparism. Rogues allways where one of those upper classes. And loled about the BM hunter in BC part.

Back to topic. It's kind of natural for the operatives not taking all those nerfs over and over again without any word or complaint. Just look at thes forums, theres at least one whine thread regarding the 1.2 changes for almost any class. We are one of the worst, if not the worst class if it comes to PvE DPS, and i guess the gap will just be bigger then now when 1.2 goes live (but i guess this is the wrong forum for this to discuss).

In my oppinion it's the smuggler / IA energy system which screws us this way. Not only do the Scoundrel/Operative, but also the gunslinger/sniper get worthless once they burned away their energy. Now you may argue Troopers/BH have the same issues. But they have significantly lesser skill costs then we do.
Take my DF gunslinger as an example: My DoT's cost 20 energy and if i want my combo to work i have to have both bleeds up before firing off wounding shots (30 energy). Thats a total of 70 energy. I have to maintain 60 energy to have the highest energy regeneration which is impossible with those costs. A shadow for example doesn't has that issue. Similar problems occur for Scoundrels/Operatives. It's all fine when we can kill targets within our first blows. But we aren't made for longer fights.

I vote for a revamped energy system.