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Alderaan Warzone: If you're Losing DON"T CAP!

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Alderaan Warzone: If you're Losing DON"T CAP!

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DarkDruidSS
03.27.2012 , 09:18 AM | #281
Quote: Originally Posted by richardya View Post
I love when it is 5-0 and we prevent the 6-0 game. Pure pride and a small victory.
It's even better to finally get that 1 point. 6-1 loss is a victory to me if I can get that 1 point or help get that 1 point to prevent the shut out. Nothing makes me happier when I am pugging against a premade than to prevent that shut out.

There are multiple reasons that keep me in the game even if we losing horribly. I might just want to be the best healer, defensive player or killer on our team depending on the role I am playing. If I can lose and still be in the top rankings for the team then I did my part. I can live with losing because I still get valor/exp/comms and the pride that I didn't let my team down.
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DarkDruidSS
03.27.2012 , 09:22 AM | #282
Quote: Originally Posted by Ch_Zero View Post
I'll try to not be disrespectful, because I'll assume this is a serious question.

But let's say for example the score is 400 empire and 90 republic.

the empire cannot win the warzone unless they 3 cap, and hold it for the duration of the game.

So what's the point in capping a single base to slow down and turtle the game?

There is only 1 reason, for the individual players fun.
For most people however this is not fun.
I want hard statics to prove this. Please conduct a survey of a global scale to prove your logic. Because just as Hardcore PvPers are the MINORITY in a MMO.. the people that actually care about their time management to the degree you are talking about are even far less. It's about having fun and like I said in a earlier post there are reasons you can find to have fun.

Use this very thread as a platform to start your survey because the time management QQers are far less than the people that play to win and never give up.
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Richoshist
03.27.2012 , 09:28 AM | #283
Quote: Originally Posted by Ch_Zero View Post
I know this because I'm a pro.
When you have to tell people you're a pro, you're just a wanna-be, son.
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Gyronamics
03.27.2012 , 09:33 AM | #284
If you're a quitter when the odds look bad then you never get to do this...

Game timed out because we were shortmanned.

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TheLastWolfman
03.27.2012 , 09:36 AM | #285
Quote: Originally Posted by Ch_Zero View Post
I'll try to not be disrespectful, because I'll assume this is a serious question.

But let's say for example the score is 400 empire and 90 republic.

the empire cannot win the warzone unless they 3 cap, and hold it for the duration of the game.

So what's the point in capping a single base to slow down and turtle the game?

There is only 1 reason, for the individual players fun.

For most people however this is not fun.

That's why i use the term warzone troll and compare it to knifing in COD.

Because when you have a premade with a PUG. What are the statistical chances you will 3 cap?


0.000001%
Hi OP,

It is a serious question so thanks for taking it as such.

Actually you cannot calculate a probability in this instance as you are dealing with human actions, not a random event.

Mathematical probability really only applies to random occurences (dice rolls, coin flips etc.).

With a score of 400 - 90 I agree it is unlikely you will be able to turn the tide and win, but you cannot put a % probability to it.

That aside, whilst your argument has validity, you are unlikely to get what you wish as you are dealing with human emotion.

Everyone plays games to generate an emotional response within themselves (pleasure, satisfaction, anger, etc.). As we each derive pleasure in subtly different ways, the way in which we play games differs from person to person.

You are essentially asking others to lessen their own emotional experiences so that you can enhance yours. As such, that request is unlikely to succeed.

On a rare occasion, asking a group of people to be selfless can work, for example a "Guys, I need to be out of here in 2 mins, we look like we have lost this could you help me out and let them cap that 3rd turret so I can finish this one quickly", may work. However you are essentially asking people to do that all the time.

Logic and statistics have their places, however that place is not in this discussion as we are dealing with emotion.

Regards
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Tyraelium
03.27.2012 , 09:39 AM | #286
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDruidSS View Post
I want hard statics to prove this. Please conduct a survey of a global scale to prove your logic. Because just as Hardcore PvPers are the MINORITY in a MMO.. the people that actually care about their time management to the degree you are talking about are even far less. It's about having fun and like I said in a earlier post there are reasons you can find to have fun.

Use this very thread as a platform to start your survey because the time management QQers are far less than the people that play to win and never give up.
Nobody is against having fun. You can stay in the losing game and have fun hoping your team will somehow hold 3 caps even though you haven't held 2 for the first 10 minutes of the match. If you find the whole "overcoming impossible odds" thing fun, fine. Go buy a lottery ticket.

I play to win as many games as possible. If you are in a losing game (they beat you 2x:x, ie. 380-130), You can have fun by fighting off the node, let them 3 cap you, ensure your 4 medals, collect your rewards and requeue to engage in more PvP that will yield rewards (and fun!). You've already been PvPing in the first 10 minutes, directing your team with strategy. You've already tried, and failed. If you couldn't get a second node within 10 minutes, where did you find this idea that you could get 2 more and hold them for another the rest of the match?
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Angel_of_Cain
03.27.2012 , 09:45 AM | #287
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDruidSS View Post
I want hard statics to prove this. Please conduct a survey of a global scale to prove your logic. Because just as Hardcore PvPers are the MINORITY in a MMO.. the people that actually care about their time management to the degree you are talking about are even far less. It's about having fun and like I said in a earlier post there are reasons you can find to have fun.

Use this very thread as a platform to start your survey because the time management QQers are far less than the people that play to win and never give up.
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flem
03.27.2012 , 09:46 AM | #288
The funny thing is that the quitters have clearly never seen a big comeback 3-cap because, well, they've always quit/given up before their team could do it. So it seems literally impossible, which is only true when they're present...
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sharkfinsix
03.27.2012 , 09:46 AM | #289
Quote: Originally Posted by Dayfax View Post
^ This.

The "let them win" crowd needs to stop queuing.
yup, sounds like the soccer parents who started a league where if the opposing team wins by too much they actually get credited for a lose. Love our modern day society loser gets all the cookies mentality.

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SweetOldBob
03.27.2012 , 09:50 AM | #290
Quote: Originally Posted by Angel_of_Cain View Post
Dude, i have voted you MVP a couple of times
Any MVP votes give me such an endorphin rush! Two and I'm on the floor.

I usually vote for healers; sometimes for leaders, sometimes for guys who save my bacon when I call "inc".
Sometimes you have to roll a hard six.

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