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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!


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Varghjerta
03.27.2012 , 08:55 AM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
actually you'll find the biggest complaint and reason for loss of subs, according to various polls and forums, was due to boredom of the content. People were tired of the same style of game mechanics and wanted something fresh.
That is a side effect aswell on my point the "boredom" became quite easily that you had most of the game being a walktrough "basicly most 5 man dungeons was doable 3 man"
while giving the latest gear trough badges so you could jump straight into the latest raid.
Ofcourse people will found boring when you basicly burn trough content that fast

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chaosdefined
03.27.2012 , 08:56 AM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by anaz View Post
Many people are adamant that this game is in dire need of cross server LFD tool or server merges because it's apparently "dieing" or "bleeding subcribers". I have no idea which planet they are living on but it clearly isn't earth:

http://www.destructoid.com/star-wars...s-220955.phtml

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011...n_1171028.html

1 million subscribers in the first 3 days and another 700,000 gained over January.


I have already given my thoughts on the LFD tool and one of the main posters in support , ferroz, has ignored the clear examples I have given of how it has led to detriment of the WoW community.
All you did there was post the subscriber numbers from a month ago. What we're saying is this game needs it to continue. All you have supplied is opinion and accusations, you have not provided any proof as to the community in WoW being destroyed. In fact it's still as strong as it ever was, for some reason people like you refuse to acknowledge it.

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chaosdefined
03.27.2012 , 08:57 AM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by Varghjerta View Post
That is a side effect aswell on my point the "boredom" became quite easily that you had most of the game being a walktrough "basicly most 5 man dungeons was doable 3 man"
while giving the latest gear trough badges so you could jump straight into the latest raid.
Ofcourse people will found boring when you basicly burn trough content that fast
No it wasn't boredom from having done everything, you'll find half the people quit the game before finishing a lot of the raids. It was boredom with every 5-man and Raid basically being the exact same but with different scenery.

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ferroz
03.27.2012 , 09:00 AM | #114
Quote: Originally Posted by anaz View Post
Many people are adamant that this game is in dire need of cross server LFD tool or server merges because it's apparently "dieing" or "bleeding subcribers".
/shrug I make no claims that it's dying or bleeding subscribers.

regardless: low level flashpoints are already starting to dry up by players, and that's only going to get worse as the game gets older.

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I have no idea which planet they are living on but it clearly isn't earth:
http://www.destructoid.com/star-wars...s-220955.phtml

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011...n_1171028.html

1 million subscribers in the first 3 days and another 700,000 gained over January.
Actually, they had sold 2 million boxes through January, and that means they had lost 300k subscribers at that point. It's currently unknown how many they've lost to date, but the fact that they held steady rather than gaining through February is a pretty significant issue, since it means that they've plateaued already.


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I have already given my thoughts on the LFD tool
Where?

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one of the main posters in support , ferroz, has ignored the clear examples I have given of how it has led to detriment of the WoW community.
No, I haven't ignored any clear examples; I discount anecdotal evidence that doesn't agree with my experience... are those the "clear examples" that you're talking about?

So far, you haven't even shown correlation, let alone causation.

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Zataos
03.27.2012 , 09:04 AM | #115
No modern group finder is exactly why the SWTOR community is widely considered one of the worst of all MMOs, I believe this community to be one of the worst and I've heard that from many others. Some things sound like a good idea but in practice they are not.

The is a segment in MMO about 20% I would say that will always be in a group, they level in a group, pvp, pve everything, then about 20% that will never be in a group, mainly because they don't want to, but the remaining 60% are the ones getting screwed over by constantly having to ask for group in chat.
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anaz
03.27.2012 , 09:09 AM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
All you did there was post the subscriber numbers from a month ago. What we're saying is this game needs it to continue. It has shown huge growth and is continuing with 1.2.All you have supplied is opinion and accusations, you have not provided any proof as to the community in WoW being destroyed. It's a forum. It's a place we're people give their personal opinions and experiences and not all of them need to be facts. It will alot of the time lead to accusations and disagreements. It's what I have done, it is what you have done. What I have done so wrong here? In fact it's still as strong as it ever was Disagree, for some reason people like you refuse to acknowledge it.
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Bakinpacman
03.27.2012 , 09:11 AM | #117
The reason why i believe x-server group finders should not exist is because the pure anonymity of people in a random group.

If you use the internet you should know that means anyone can be an *** causing misery to players without any action taken as people complain they have the freedom to act however they please on the internet.

This type of behavior commonly includes such things as getting carried while going AFK, taking loot they do not need/even use, act like they got a pineapple up their bum to anyone they feel like yelling at and all in all the pure laziness it promotes by giving in to poor player requests.

I do however believe there should be a server specific group finder as that removes total anonymity and allows easier control of actions made by players as BioWare can also regulate it much easier as you are only dealing with data from one server not many.

This is a big thing for me as i have played wow for years and having loot disappear from existence because it is not recording on your specific server but a x-server and having GM's tell you that you are lying because the logs do not show you killing or receiving the loot table from the boss.

I do not imply that i understand how x-server works in wow but i believe one of the inherit flaws with it is the fact that if the control server for it goes down all instances on all servers cannot be run as they are all linked to a controlling server.

This has happened many times when i played wow where the actual servers are up but you cannot enter the instanced server because the instance server cannot load.

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Reevax
03.27.2012 , 09:11 AM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by anaz View Post
Many people are adamant that this game is in dire need of cross server LFD tool or server merges because it's apparently "dieing" or "bleeding subcribers". I have no idea which planet they are living on but it clearly isn't earth:

http://www.destructoid.com/star-wars...s-220955.phtml

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011...n_1171028.html

1 million subscribers in the first 3 days and another 700,000 gained over January.


I have already given my thoughts on the LFD tool and one of the main posters in support , ferroz, has ignored the clear examples I have given of how it has led to detriment of the WoW community.
WoW actually increased subs after the LFD, hmmm, how is that possible!!!!

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Anzel
03.27.2012 , 09:12 AM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by Zataos View Post
No modern group finder is exactly why the SWTOR community is widely considered one of the worst of all MMOs, I believe this community to be one of the worst and I've heard that from many others. Some things sound like a good idea but in practice they are not.

The is a segment in MMO about 20% I would say that will always be in a group, they level in a group, pvp, pve everything, then about 20% that will never be in a group, mainly because they don't want to, but the remaining 60% are the ones getting screwed over by constantly having to ask for group in chat.
I agree with you on this completely. I even think you're being really generous with your percentages. I think it's more like 99% of the community is getting screwed by 1% who make it their sole mission in life to dictate how other players play.
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pyrobot
03.27.2012 , 09:16 AM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by anaz View Post
Many people are adamant that this game is in dire need of cross server LFD tool or server merges because it's apparently "dieing" or "bleeding subcribers". I have no idea which planet they are living on but it clearly isn't earth:

http://www.destructoid.com/star-wars...s-220955.phtml

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011...n_1171028.html

1 million subscribers in the first 3 days and another 700,000 gained over January.


I have already given my thoughts on the LFD tool and one of the main posters in support , ferroz, has ignored the clear examples I have given of how it has led to detriment of the WoW community.
Actually, the community is killing the community. I know you think that we don't need server merges but we do. I play on two servers: Canderous Ordo and Wall of Light. During peak times, the fleet on Canderous has 200+ people on it, and finding groups for flashpoints and what not is easy. On Wall of Light, Server Peaks at 70, too many players on the fleet aren't level 50, and finding a group takes an excessive amount of time even though I'm a tank. Smaller servers need to be merged into other servers to give us fleet sizes like Canderous, because in its current iteration, the community is killing itself, especially as players begin to recognize who is who on there server. Actually, my guild got a player blacklisted from the other top raiding guilds on wall of light because he sucks, and we told them he sucks, why should he be allowed to ruin other's fun? Well with cross server LFG he wouldn't have to worry about his server rep, or generating server rep for being such a ****** player, he can just get in, clear the FP and get the **** out WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL WANT TO DO. I don't know about you, but having to actually look for a group is *********** stupid.