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1.2 War Hero Gear on PTS - Now requires BM gear :)

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1.2 War Hero Gear on PTS - Now requires BM gear :)

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Deamian
03.23.2012 , 02:17 PM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by Broom View Post
For someone who PVPs all day, no, this is not a problem. For a guild like mine, with a mix of hardcores and casuals (good PVPers, but time restricted by demands of work, studies and family), yet another step in gearing up IS a problem. I would VASTLY prefer a system where this whole gear crap didn't exist, and where skill was the only factor. And I'd hoped they'd actually done a step in this direction. Too much to ask for, I guess.
You want a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.. where gear doesn't exist..there simply HAS to be a system of getting gear. If you can come up with one that makes more sense then trading in a currency you've "earned" by time, or skill, or a combonation of risk of any kind, please please do. Because I'm really tired of comments that one person is better than the other because of "insert made up crap here", and I really just want to pvp against people who really enjoy pvping, without complaining about every little aspect
Just because I watch my back more than I watch yours, doesn't mean I'm not behind you kid. ~~~Deamian Sharper

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Metronomotopoeia
03.23.2012 , 02:28 PM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by mSum View Post
I don't see why it's obsolete. I think people are confused...or hell, maybe I am.

As I read it, nothing changes for non-ranked WZs. You will not be able to buy Champ or Centurian gear, but so what. If you have those now why would you want more? You enter non-ranked WZs and earn BM and War Hero gear to replace your current Champ and Centurian gear.

Then when you are geared you enter ranked WZ and buy Ranked War Hero gear...which is the same as War Hero but a different color.

Why did ClogMan say:
"1) Ditch all Champ + cent gear.
2) Buy a recruit PvP set for 500K."

Unless the stats are way better than Champion, which I can't imagine. So he's wrong or trolling.
The stats are way better than Champion. That's the whole point. He's not wrong, or trolling. He's right.

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ClogMan
03.23.2012 , 02:34 PM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by Nicain View Post
You'll still be a wet noodle. You have a lot of quit in you. Gear isn't the decider, it's basically a tie breaker. If you're getting rolled now, you'll get rolled in equal gear. You've mentally removed yourself from PVP because you have the 'i don't have the gear I can't win' thought process, so you haven't engaged while everyone else is, and getting better at pvp.

So the real reason you lack PVP skills, is because you've mentally checked out from it.
You have a lot of fail in you, i feel you have mentally removed yourself from this thread...

You don't know what you rambling on about.
I do fine today against people in same or better gear, but this is not what this is all about.
This has nothing to do with , skills in pvp or what not.
This is only about pvp armor sets and their stats in 1.2..
UTINII

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ClogMan
03.23.2012 , 02:38 PM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by mSum View Post

Why did ClogMan say:
"1) Ditch all Champ + cent gear.
2) Buy a recruit PvP set for 500K."

Unless the stats are way better than Champion, which I can't imagine. So he's wrong or trolling.
Thanks for the vote of confidence
Sadly the information presented to us at the moment, shows that champion gear is worse then the new recruit gear.
We can ofc hope BW do the right thing and fix it before 1.2 comes out.
UTINII

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xNonphixionx
03.23.2012 , 02:42 PM | #135
Um...Dont the War Hero and Rated War Hero gear sets have the exact same stats? I thought only cosmetics were different giving high level valor players cooler skins.

Or do you need to trade BM gear FOR the crappy War Hero gear? I thought you only needed to trade BM gear for the Rated War Hero set.

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xNonphixionx
03.23.2012 , 02:45 PM | #136
Honestly though, anyone that thinks gear is a deciding factor in this game obviously has zero clue what they are talking about. It does NOT take long to get full Centurion gear and that's all you need to compete against battlemasters. Sure in a tie breaker the BM will win but if you're half decent at the game then you will stand a chance against any battlemaster using Centurion gear.

Seriously, gear gap in this game is NOTHING like other mmo's. People just have it stuck in their head that when they get beat it's 100% because they are outgeared. It's basically an excuse for bad players that would have lost even if they were full BM gear against someone not even wearing any PVP gear.

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Miston
03.23.2012 , 02:48 PM | #137
Here's what they should do with Rated WZ and gear.

1. Put up a vendor with bags containing sets of rated wz intro armor etc. for credits.
2. Only allow that armor to be used in rated wz. BM etc not allowed.
3. Non rated wz allow any armor except Rated WZ sets.

There easy fix. Rated Division starts on a level playing field to build on, and you can keep you BM stuff for all your other pvp.
Miston
Harbinger server
HVND

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prodigyqnz
03.23.2012 , 03:34 PM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by Deamian View Post
You want a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.. where gear doesn't exist..there simply HAS to be a system of getting gear. If you can come up with one that makes more sense then trading in a currency you've "earned" by time, or skill, or a combonation of risk of any kind, please please do. Because I'm really tired of comments that one person is better than the other because of "insert made up crap here", and I really just want to pvp against people who really enjoy pvping, without complaining about every little aspect
Granted every MMO has some kind of gear grind.. Not all of them were 100% Gear grind dominant.

Take SWG for example. You could craft your gear from resources acquired from harvesting or purchased from a vendor from someone else harvesting them for you. As well as you could trade these items. Making the game more fun for someone who is into crafting/crew skills and creating a player based economy. As for the grinded gear they had jewelry sets but they werent so imperative that a good player that did not have the set couldn't still put up a decent fight until they acquired the full set. It gave an added advantage but not a overall I win because I have it and you dont. Same went for the Jedi Robes that some people had to grind if they didn't already have a Elder type robe that was pretty much equivalent. This was the state of the game towards the end. Before that it was completely crafting based. You do a few Boss Runs and get schematics and those people are able to make gear and sell it to people who are not interested in that kind of thing. And for specific weapons that couldnt be traded you would gather a few buddies together and they would take you out to go get it. Creating more team work and a active economy. If you didnt want to pvp all the time you didnt have to. If you didnt want to raid/boss run all the time you didnt have to. It was set up to allow people to play at their own pace and still be effective both pve and pvp.
If no mistake have you made, yet losing you are.. a different game you should play... --Yoda
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Deamian
03.23.2012 , 05:24 PM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by prodigyqnz View Post
Granted every MMO has some kind of gear grind.. Not all of them were 100% Gear grind dominant.

Take SWG for example. You could craft your gear from resources acquired from harvesting or purchased from a vendor from someone else harvesting them for you. As well as you could trade these items. Making the game more fun for someone who is into crafting/crew skills and creating a player based economy. As for the grinded gear they had jewelry sets but they werent so imperative that a good player that did not have the set couldn't still put up a decent fight until they acquired the full set. It gave an added advantage but not a overall I win because I have it and you dont. Same went for the Jedi Robes that some people had to grind if they didn't already have a Elder type robe that was pretty much equivalent. This was the state of the game towards the end. Before that it was completely crafting based. You do a few Boss Runs and get schematics and those people are able to make gear and sell it to people who are not interested in that kind of thing. And for specific weapons that couldnt be traded you would gather a few buddies together and they would take you out to go get it. Creating more team work and a active economy. If you didnt want to pvp all the time you didnt have to. If you didnt want to raid/boss run all the time you didnt have to. It was set up to allow people to play at their own pace and still be effective both pve and pvp.
But there is still effort involved, from someone, somewhere in the game environment. What I'm seeing is quite a few loud voices wanting the effort removed, or seemingly so. I know our youth has grown up in a world where if you want something, you get it nearly immediately, from information, to self gratification. Risk/Effort vs Reward seems to be too much to handle for todays gamer. That is slightly annoying to me.
Just because I watch my back more than I watch yours, doesn't mean I'm not behind you kid. ~~~Deamian Sharper

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lordkains
03.23.2012 , 05:40 PM | #140
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