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Why the proposed 1.2 Pyrotech changes are poorly thought out

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Why the proposed 1.2 Pyrotech changes are poorly thought out

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exphryl
03.23.2012 , 10:12 AM | #241
Quote: Originally Posted by Theology View Post
So, the question is, how do we get this thread or my thread on the PT forum seen by Georg? =)
All threads are apparently "Seen" By Devs

They seem to be avoiding any thread that has "balance" adjustments to a class though even if there is reasonable call for them to say something to quell some of the unrest players are having.

While people will say "BW doesn't have to explain why they nerf!", it'd be nice when it's such a drastic change to say "We made this change, BECAUSE of this." or "We made this change due to upcoming changes not in 1.2 for balance" though.
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Jarfunkz
03.23.2012 , 10:15 AM | #242
I really do not understand the nerf. Advanced prototype (middle tree) is horrible. I don't know any good pt/vg that have more than six points in this tree.

Pyrotech has a chance to have very good rolls, or it will be very sub-ordinary.

Here is how I rate Pyrotech

CC- C+ (stuns are not that good, but the chance to snare I give it a C+)
Burst damage- B+
Sustained damage- C+
Aoe Damage- B+ (would be an A if it weren't for the casting time, especially for vanguard)
Range C+, pt/vg need to move around to be between 5 and 15m to be successful

Defense- B- Heavy armor is all that this class has going for it
Mobility- D- (Would be an F, but you can spec into charge or the 30%+15% run in adv prototype, again, show me a significant player who has those specs)
Action/regeneration F (worst in the game, by far).
VicVega

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Jarfunkz
03.23.2012 , 10:18 AM | #243
Quote: Originally Posted by exphryl View Post
All threads are apparently "Seen" By Devs

They seem to be avoiding any thread that has "balance" adjustments to a class though even if there is reasonable call for them to say something to quell some of the unrest players are having.

While people will say "BW doesn't have to explain why they nerf!", it'd be nice when it's such a drastic change to say "We made this change, BECAUSE of this." or "We made this change due to upcoming changes not in 1.2 for balance" though.
We made this change, because the moon and stars aligned when a player made swiss cheese out of a sorc and then took out another player at the same time. These two people cried and we really want that $30 a month, because our game is failing. There is no guarantee that you will leave, I am sure that the majority of you were dumb enough to purchase a six month sub, so we have three months to make this a better game for you.
VicVega

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Theology
03.23.2012 , 10:21 AM | #244
^ Lol

Also, I think if the Dev's give it some thought, theyll see how absurd a 6 sec timer on PPA is and re-adjust it. I'll be looking for that specifically in upcoming patch notes as we get closer to 1.2.

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Morticoccus
03.23.2012 , 10:22 AM | #245
It's still a matter of them wanting to remove the gambling element of pyro.

As it is now you either roll high and burn the opponent to a crisp, or you roll snake eyes. They removed all benefits and reduced the negative effect chance a bit so now the build will be mediocre instead.

A shame, pyros were challenging to fight without being completely annoying (except for that damn grapple ofc.) and this will make everyone roll other classes instead.
When all is said and done we're not the only ones who look at life this way: That's what the Sith lords say.
And if they'd ever change as that reminds to say. But every time I see them makes me wish I had a gun. If I thought that I was crazy well I guess I'd have more fun.

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Anelyn
03.23.2012 , 10:28 AM | #246
Quote: Originally Posted by Jarfunkz View Post
I really do not understand the nerf. Advanced prototype (middle tree) is horrible. I don't know any good pt/vg that have more than six points in this tree.

Pyrotech has a chance to have very good rolls, or it will be very sub-ordinary.

Here is how I rate Pyrotech

CC- C+ (stuns are not that good, but the chance to snare I give it a C+)
Burst damage- B+
Sustained damage- C+
Aoe Damage- B+ (would be an A if it weren't for the casting time, especially for vanguard)
Range C+, pt/vg need to move around to be between 5 and 15m to be successful

Defense- B- Heavy armor is all that this class has going for it
Mobility- D- (Would be an F, but you can spec into charge or the 30%+15% run in adv prototype, again, show me a significant player who has those specs)
Action/regeneration F (worst in the game, by far).
So innacurate. So PT pyro burst, only burst in game that deals SAME burst no matter of armor of target (elemental dmg + 90% ARP on rail shot), is B+? Then for the love of God, who has grade A burst in this game? As is well known Pt pyro (and assault vanguard) have highest burst in game.

If you troll me with infil shadow or deception sin, I will not even bother replying.

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exphryl
03.23.2012 , 10:29 AM | #247
Quote: Originally Posted by Jarfunkz View Post
We made this change, because the moon and stars aligned when a player made swiss cheese out of a sorc and then took out another player at the same time. These two people cried and we really want that $30 a month, because our game is failing. There is no guarantee that you will leave, I am sure that the majority of you were dumb enough to purchase a six month sub, so we have three months to make this a better game for you.
Well played sir. Good laugh.

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So innacurate. So PT pyro burst, only burst in game that deals SAME burst no matter of armor of target (elemental dmg + 90% ARP on rail shot), is B+? Then for the love of God, who has grade A burst in this game? As is well known Pt pyro (and assault vanguard) have highest burst in game.

If you troll me with infil shadow or deception sin, I will not even bother replying.
I didn't realize Pyro was all elemental, all that Kinetic damage must be an improper tooltips.
I didn't realize after 90% armor pen everybody had the exact same Armor rating.
I didn't realize that 90% armor pen attack couldn't be shielded, easily deflected, etc.
I realize you are an infil shadow or deception sin.
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Theology
03.23.2012 , 10:35 AM | #248
Quote: Originally Posted by exphryl View Post
well played sir. Good laugh. :d



i didn't realize pyro was all elemental, all that kinetic damage must be an improper tooltips.
I didn't realize after 90% armor pen everybody had the exact same armor rating.
I didn't realize that 90% armor pen attack couldn't be shielded, easily deflected, etc.
I realize you are an infil shadow or deception sin.
^

gg

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Macroecon
03.23.2012 , 11:05 AM | #249
Quote: Originally Posted by busterbone View Post
Thus, if something negatively affects Rail Shot it will negatively affect Powertechs more than it negatively affects Mercenaries. Trust me this has nothing to do with being "tacky".
The "tacky" becomes apparent after noting that while two children are complaining about having some of their cupcakes removed from their possession, one had it reduced from 3 to 2, while the other had it reduced from 9 to 6.

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Serrowherrow
03.23.2012 , 11:31 AM | #250
Still hoping for some dev-love to this thread.

I'm going to keep leveling my 34 trooper and enjoy the pvp while I can, but if this goes unchanged and really does smack the class down to being a mediocre DPS spec while tank-sins and shadows pull 400k+ and tanking an entire team.. Meh.

I'll just go back to my 50 marauder I guess. I should count my blessings that I actually leveled a class that got buffed in an MMO for a change, just sad since I enjoy my trooper a lot more.