Grapple in hutball...!$#@(*!*#@

The guy grappling you takes damage for setting it up as well (if it's the acid pit. Sometimes with the fire too depending on the timing and LoS issues)

Also you say harder to do and I'm going to call BS. I kill just as many people on my Jedi guardian (tank spec'd hybrid) with the leap+stasis as I do with grapple on my VG (also tank spec'd). Not only that but I also force push people into fires incredibly often as well, which grapplers cannot do as the only thing they have is grapple.

Yeah, people probably get annoyed by it. I can believe it. You know what else is annoying?

Lightning spammed with a snare attached to it from 30m away, followed by an aoe knockback that immobilizes, followed by a "blind" stun.

Getting knocked down from a stealth attack, followed by another stun, followed by a blind immobilize, followed by a spammable snare.

Getting immobilized from a leap, held in the air immobilized and then pushed off of something.

Etc etc.

Everyone has something that's pretty "cheap/lame" and is fairly annoying. Oddly enough this adds up to a wacky form of balance.

(except healer Op's who are still pretty ****ed overall)

As aggravating as grapple can be, it provided me with the probably the most amazing thing I've seen in years and years of gaming.

I was crossing the bridges in VoidStar with some others when an enemy ran up and tried to push us off to our deaths. I was blown back a bit but stayed on the walkway, but the guy next to me went over the side. I was just about to hit the key for an attack on this guy when up from below came the grapple from my falling team mate and it dragged the enemy over to his death also. In this case, revenge was served hot and immediately, like within a half-second.

Took me about 15 seconds to stop laughing in amazement that such a thing could happen in a video game, and that a player in such a situation would have the presence of mind and reflexes to pull it off.

I still feel fire pits and acid pits should randomly grapple people themselves.

Ok, first of all, you make a number of assumptions ... but we'll stick with the one that is relevant to this discussion .... and that is, that I don't play a Juggernaught.

I do.

And I still believe it is fundamentally flawed to design a Warzone that is predicated on obstacles and hazards, and then give just one (1) class to ability to circumvent them completely. Leap does that.

And anyone who would argue that the ability to stand at the edge of a fire pit and pull someone into it and then stun them, is not an I WIN button (combo) is just not being honest with themselves, or to the discussion.

This thread wil be followed up by:

The thread about the stupidity of force speed... and after that we will dive into the thread about the power of force leep, while carrying the ball...

It never stops, until people l2p, which balance the issues out quit abit.