Can anyone provide a brief history of warhammer?

Things that were wrong with Warhammer:

Taking falling damage from getting stuck on a rock, or a twig, or any piece of dark elf architecture or weaponry. This was a big deal. If I "fall" from a 6" height I should not take damage as if I fell off a bridge in Dragonwake. Physics is important.

Non-mirrored mirror classes. "The what?" you might be asking. Mirror classes were not the same. Some of them had gear and spec options that the other did not, though generally they could fulfill the same general role in a group one side was better from a min/max perspective.

Mechanics. DoK / WP mechanic became nullified completely when they changed their top tier gear set, you ended up being able to spam your group heal without any worry that it may run you out of juice. Sorc/BW mechanic was a bit out of control, granting them a near 100% crit rate and a 150% crit damage multiplier at the minor inconvenience of being hit for ~10% of your life when activating skill (easily offset by group heal, see above).

PvEmpty-Instance. The biggest joke at the end of it all was the instanced city sieges. Players would use the "scenario scoreboard" to quickly determine that they had "win" or "fail" instance and would decide to leave or stay (much like warzones). As a result what was supposed to be the culmination of all that is PVP ended up being a raid against NPCs that did not fight back. They followed a path and 'did stuff'. Well technically they were supposed to be 'prevented from' or 'protected while' doing the stuff, deepening on what faction you were and the city you were in.

Population Is Fine? On Iron Rock the population was so balanced that we were "defending" (lol see above) Inevitable City, the destruction capitol, every 3 to 6 hours. There would be one instance where destruction would manage to have a full raid, order players would leave this instance (I can't blame them for this, as it was usually a bunch of Pug-order and a pre-made raid of destruction). And there 3-6 instances where it was a full raid of order against half a group +/- pugs, who also had no choice but to leave.

I will not comment on the Skaven 'expansion', other than to say it wasn't good.

i played warhammer for 2 years, from launch until the release of rift.

the first 6 months was a bugfest with little incentive to pvp. keep/zone trading was the norm as actualy fighting slowed down your progression. the upper managements response was that the game was fine and they liked it how it was. very head in the sand kind of deal.

after about 6 months a bunch of folks at mythic lost their jobs and faults were admitted. things started to get better. bugs were patched, classes were moving towards balance, although the brightwizard/sorcs would always be flavour of the year. pvp/rvr started to happen in a big way. unbalanced server populations were still a problem. but for balanced servers the game became noticably better.

land of the dead expansion was introduced as a massive step backwards. mostly pve, the new zone was about first one side opening up access, zerging the hell out of any enemy faction players they found, then pveing until the other side regained access and zerged them back. only one faction could have access at a time, making reinforcements impossible.

towards the end of my time in the game, city sieges were altered to make them less pve in the later stages (top end gear), however premade warbands (24 players) dominated just as they do in warzones/warfronts/scenarios. pugs had no chance and it wasnt uncommon to see 3 or 4 pages of pug names on the scoreboard from the large number of quitters.

on the rare occasions it happened, premade vs premade city siege warband fights were epicly fun.
likewise the open world keep sieges, when numbers balanced (and this did happen, atleast on the badlands server) we a lot of fun for all involved.

easilly the best pvp experiences i've ever had in an mmo came from warhammer.

Anomandar - Blackguard - Badlands - Warhammer
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to.../index/8260604
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to...ndex/3259064/1

so after reading some 1.2 patch notes(and thinking about the choices made so far) I cant help but shake my head and wonder if I'm only playing this game because of the star wars name power...


Ive read bit and pieces on the forums about how most of these devs came from Warhammer..what happened to that game? did it fail?

even reading some of their quotes make me think this is a big troll...does anyone have faith in these developers?

Haha, I remember fighting your pansy turtle BG () in the reikwald fortress on my WH (Torquemadra) with Aldoorn in "old" city when we used to remorselessly camp access to Aldorf. Now that WAS fun, having a warband come out and chase us around the fortress as some of their members couldnt get to the city.

so after reading some 1.2 patch notes(and thinking about the choices made so far) I cant help but shake my head and wonder if I'm only playing this game because of the star wars name power...


Ive read bit and pieces on the forums about how most of these devs came from Warhammer..what happened to that game? did it fail?

even reading some of their quotes make me think this is a big troll...does anyone have faith in these developers?

I will not comment on the Skaven 'expansion', other than to say it wasn't good.

1. WAR had TERRIBLE performance in Open world PvP.
2. They had no official forums.
3. As such they had no server forums.
4. They opened way to many servers and 3 months after launch most were ghost towns.
5. They had no idea on how to balance their classes.
6. They had a premature launch.
7. They had a lot of basic features missing at launch.
8. The performance in the main city hub was terrible as well.

Anything of the above sounds familiar ?