Attacking republic in Open World is griefing?

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Attacking republic in Open World is griefing?

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Squirrelius

03.21.2012 , 01:32 PM \| #381	Quote
Pretty shady subject, griefing in my belief is a high level hindering the progress of lower levels. That has been mostly taken care of since most of the levels anyway are in their respective space. When you get into actual places meant to fight in pvp your character should be at a comfortable enough level to stand a chance and it not be considered griefing. Sure their is spawn camping but there is also the spawn from another location, so that is taken care of. And to solve the problem of another guild stopping repubs from taking a world boss? Recruit more people then retaliate, cause at that point the game content changes from pve to pvp and should be handled as such. If enemies come to fight you you don't cry about it you retaliate then take the WB out at a later date that has no imps "griefing" you.

VoidJustice

03.21.2012 , 01:34 PM \| #382	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by EternalFinality In WoW, when this happened, people went to the capital cities and called for help. "Barrens overrun by Alliance 60s, need help!" And what happened? People came to help, and drove the alliance out. And that was fun as hell. That is open world PvP. Zerging something is a challenge to the opposite side. But all anyone in this game can do is cry about being preyed upon. Pathetic. Very true. very sad. What happened to gamers... when did you all become so... blahmeh.. gimmegimme

Dark_Exile

03.21.2012 , 01:37 PM \| #383	Quote
LOADING SCREEN, cant remember which one quite clearly says "Actions that can be solved with pvp, are NOT griefing" or something to that effect, so basically, if your on a pvp server and you get your * kicked, it CAN be solved with pvp, therefore is not griefing. Whoever the GM was should shut his **in pie hole

Urieaal

03.21.2012 , 01:56 PM \| #384	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ziegler So here is the scenario. Belsavis World Boss is up. Republic guild is trying to take him down. A group of Imperials attack the repubs.....repeatedly til they abandon the boss. Imperials get warnings for griefing. I could have sworn this game said it had open world PVP....and I also could have sworn I chose to play on a PVP server. So I would like the devs to clarify this. And a little bit of rant here. Bioware, you have never been big on the whole PVP thing, so much so that you had to co-opt developers from Warhammer to do it for you. The above example only shows your lack of knowledge about PVP. A couple of things to enlighten you. First, open world pvp in the gaming community means.....pvp anywhere, anytime. On a PVP server, a common practice is denying the opposing faction areas, entrances, bosses....you know...it's almost like....oh I dont know....a WAR...like STAR WARS!!!! I can deal with bugs, I can deal with slow patches and fixes. (you have been good with patches)...I can deal with alot of things. But one thing I cant stand is a mommy game company babysitting a PVP server. So I would like some clarification. Is it ok on a PVP server to actually attack the opposing faction in an organized fashion to deny them areas, quest bosses, or anything else? Can my guild decide to wage war on Belsavis and attempt to deny to the whole world to the republic? If I kill someone and they come back to the area, am I allowed to keep killing them til they give up? If not, what's the magic number before I am griefing? One pissed off PVP'er. I would Pitch a fit personally thats just BS if you got a warning even if it is just a warning ITs a freaking PVP server and you are right every were anywere anytime is pvp if they dont like it they shouldnt be on a pvp server.
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Zakua

03.21.2012 , 01:56 PM \| #385	Quote
lol...those carebears shouldn't be running around on a pvp server. Crazy how catered and softened up everythings getting these days. "aw, Johnny's sad cuz he sucks, lets punish the other guys" Yes, that makes for a strong willed character right there haha. =P
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Urieaal

03.21.2012 , 02:01 PM \| #386	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by VoidJustice Very true. very sad. What happened to gamers... when did you all become so... blahmeh.. gimmegimme seems to me just after BC hit for wow this mentality hit.. the QQ gimmy things NOAW! crowd showd up.. personally would rather work for my level and gears then just be handed crap like they do these days. dont get me wrong i dont like super grind fests but level capping in a week of 4 hour a day play times is not awesome doing raids aka ops in 60 minutes and downing all the boss's with out any trouble is not awesome.. What ever happened to the EPIC Battles both pvp and pve????? i mean it seriously... doesn't anyone remember the 20 minute boss fights? after you did that you felt like you earned it not just meh its done after like 5 minutes if that.
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ComeAndSee

03.21.2012 , 02:03 PM \| #387	Quote
We did this in Vanilla + BC WoW, but it was always griefing in order to steal the boss.
\| Shayera Zhukov \| Marshal of The Republic Army \| Shield Vanguard \| Jedi Covenant \| "It's not cheating unless you get caught."

lexiekaboom

03.21.2012 , 02:06 PM \| #388	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by EternalFinality In WoW, when this happened, people went to the capital cities and called for help. "Barrens overrun by Alliance 60s, need help!" And what happened? People came to help, and drove the alliance out. And that was fun as hell. That is open world PvP. Zerging something is a challenge to the opposite side. But all anyone in this game can do is cry about being preyed upon. Pathetic. Which just leads to two of the exact same story I said. One side is "we took overwhelming numbers to this place, and griefed everyone" The other sides is "we waited until that side got board, then we took OUR overwhelming numbers and kicked them out!" GOOD TIMES! You have nostalgia for something that has never existed. Open world PVP in a game that is not PVP only has always been zerg vs zerg with no goal other then to overwhelm and grief. There are a few PVP games that did it well (shadowbane comes to mind) but they all failed because the main audience of people who want open world PVP were not at all interested in games where they would be challenged by the people they were fighting, which is why they all play PVE games instead.

Jeiq

03.21.2012 , 02:20 PM \| #389	Quote
Anyone remember the good old days of UO? Where you could be killed/murdered anywhere you stood? If you were in the right place such as in town there may have been retaliation, but outside town meant you lost everything you carried on you. Theives could steal deeds for castles that took you a year to save for. Righteous fations could hunt them down. Skilled guilds could wipe out town guards and take over. I miss real PVP.

Iboga

03.21.2012 , 02:33 PM \| #390	Quote
I'm on the fence on this one... on one hand, its perfectly acceptable to wipe them and take the boss... it's even acceptable to wipe them and not take the boss. Used to do it in WoW all the time, even had a few times we never completed our nightly raid we got so caught up in a huge PvP fest. The only issue I really see with this is population imbalance issues, if Imperials outnumber Republic 5 to 1 or so, which seems to be the case on most servers, isn't it a little unfair to the lesser faction? Not trying to sound carebearish and I understand that Rep's chose to go Rep... being on the Horde back in the day when Alliance outnumbered us about 10 to 1 on my server was a nightmare, we still had fun times, but mostly we'd just get steamrolled, repeatedly, then corpse/graveyard camped till we logged. But... at the end of the day I suppose they chose to roll Rep on a PvP server knowing full well the majority of the population in this game plays Imp... so I guess it's not really griefing, more like poor judgement?
Iboga - Scoundrel - Soresu (Retired)

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