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1.2 Hard Mode loot. Why raid when you can just run dailies?

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1.2 Hard Mode loot. Why raid when you can just run dailies?

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Master-Nala
03.20.2012 , 08:35 PM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
If you dont raid you did not earn the loot, There for you are asking for it to be handed to you.
What? Serious question my friend. Do you contend that what you wrote makes any sense?

Loot can be awarded in any way the devs see fit. The whole premise of your argument is a tautology. You're doing nothing but reiterating the point that IN YOUR OPINION the best gear should be awarded from raids. You are not making a logical argument because it is purely a question of opinion.

There are games out right now that offer equivalent rewards no matter how you wish to play. GW2 the new savior game du jour will not even have any raids. Raiding is a playstyle. It is a playstyle that many players find enjoyable. It is not inherently more deserving of reward. Whether it is rewarded more highly is a question for the game developers.

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Gavin_Darkl
03.20.2012 , 09:06 PM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by AHierophant View Post
Didn't bother to be accurate. No surprise. Guess you need to wear a shirt with Accuracy stenciled on it if you want to be factual and post something other than hyperbole.

You don't get to say things like "people raid to make themselves better with gear" since you haven't asked every raider why they raid. You also don't get to construct strawmans like the whole "solo players are responsible for this mess (that isn't a mess at all) because they want free, undeserved raid gear" when there is absolutely zero evidence this was done to placate solo or non-raider players.

According to an earlier post (one you skipped over reading in your rush to spout off) that I fact checked, the Commendations in question appear to be dropped from mobs in raids.
Here is what I posted earlier in this thread. Read it. Sorry but you do not have ANY RIGHT to any gear that drops off of Hard Mode or Nightmare mode raids. It takes more Work then what you can ever do solo.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
Perfect Fix For ALL SIDES INVOLVED!

READ IT AND READ IT UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND EVERY THING THAT GOES ON!

Now Here is how to properly fix the gear/PVE loot issue. Its Logical and it gives you what you want IF and ONLY IF you EARN IT.

Warning You will not be in full raid gear if you do not put the effort into earning it.

Warning you will not get full Hard Mode Raid gear without Raiding Hard Modes.

Warning if you expect to be handed gear don’t expect ANY respect from me, I do not respect people not willing to put the effort into something that they want. People that want handouts go play the sims.

Implement 2 ways of getting Hard Mode raid gear. First being the loot that drops off the boss, the second is token that drops of a boss that coupled with 14 “Gear Daily Commendations” can buy you 1 peace of gear. So if you want to buy the T2 Chest piece of the vendor and did not get a drop you can tank 14 Gear Daily Commendations and the 1 Token and buy it. THIS Augments you getting gear if you raid casually. IF YOU DO NOT DOWN THE BOSS YOU DO NOT GET THE TOKEN TO BUY THE RAID GEAR!

Implement a Vendor to BUY Story Line Raid Gear with just the GEAR Daily Commendations (GDC). So you can get Story Line Gear for 7 GDC . This is so that IF you want to gear up to do Hard Modes and are a casual it will get you geared up to Hard Mode Level FASTER. It will not give you the Hard Mode Gear.

Implement a Solo Gear Vendor that will have Presence gear. Here is an example of what stats presence gear will have on it. Endurance – 90, Cunning – 50, Presences – 200, Surge Rating 2, Crit Rating – 4 This gear will have Presence the primary stat, the other stats will be good enough for players to go into a hard mode flashpoint but not raids. This is the type of gear for people who only want the solo aspect of the game.

Implement 2 chains of 3 to 5 quest each which will drop 1 GDC of each chain. Implement 1 GDC to drop of the Daily heroic.

This will allow CASUAL RAIDERS to gear up and attempt to keep up with Progressive raiders and Hard core raiders. It will not give out gear, it will require they put their efforts into dailies to make sure they can gear.
This will allow SOLO Players to get SOLO Progression gear, then you can setup SOLO Class/Daily type quest where you can go into a quest instance like what they have out in the world right now and do something small that resembles a SOLO Flashpoint. However it’s not an hour long nor is it as in-depth it may only take 15 minutes and you can make the mobs HARD to the point that SOLO Players must use Med Packs and Adrenals to kill the mini boss. NO GEAR HIGHER THEN BLUE PVE WORLD DROPS WILL DROP OFF THESE MINI BOSSES. A good Amount of credits will. But No Epic Raid Gear, Nor your SOLO Gear. You have to spend time getting that gear by doing Dailies.

This should make anyone that is after the CONTENT that is casual or the solo type to be happy. If you are a SOLO player and WANT RAID GEAR, TOUGH **** you did not down a Raid boss, and do not Plan to raid, therefore you have not earned the right to the raid gear OUTSIDE OF STORY LINE GEAR. FYI Story Line Gear will not be good enough for the SOLO Flashpoint like Quest. Only SOLO Gear because it will make your companion better to the point they are better than you. This will not help you in Flashpoints much, and it will harm you in raids. If you choose to do either Flashpoint content or Raid content you must work at that content not be given it.

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drosalion
03.20.2012 , 11:44 PM | #193
Saying that its harder and takes more effort is completely untrue, they're both relative. I raid every week, and do belsavis/ilum dailies almost every day too. The amount of time and effort i put in to the dailies (1.5 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 1 single piece of gear) is far greater than the effort i put in to raiding (2 hours a day, 1 day a week, for multiple pieces of gear). If its effort you're talking about I personally would say dailies win hands down.

As for difficulty just because there are more people doesnt instantly make it harder. More people does not = higher difficulty. More variables perhaps (or specifically different variables), but not necessarily difficult. Raiding in this game, thus far, is incredibly easy. In some cases more people make it easier, as someones stuff ups have less of an impact in the greater scheme of things. I've carried several people through raiding content that barely know the fights and were completely undergeared, i would hardly call it difficult for those people (or even for me really).

I have put in ridiculously less time and way less effort into raiding than i have doing dailies, yet the rewards from raiding have been far superior... How does that work exactly?

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xZeality
03.21.2012 , 12:36 AM | #194
Just a question. You say you raid for fun & to have the best loot. How does a solo player getting the same loot from alternative methods affect your progression?

You people are hilarious, you might think its a source of pride to say "this chest piece means I do hard raids!" but nobody cares. You want to prove how much cooler you are at every turn, la deee daaa

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Grahf_the_Seeker
03.21.2012 , 12:37 AM | #195
http://mmo-mechanics.com/news.php?ar...k-hole-dailies

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Each solo daily give you 7 k credits and 1 Daily Commendation. That is right, they are giving out daily commendations, not Black Hole Commendations (the solo ones anyways). It appears the heroic H4 is giving out 6 Black Hole Commendations but it is on a weekly reset timer

New items on Daily Commendation vendors - new relics for 200, some expensive legacy kits, schematics for artificers to make +41 crystals.
NMM KP and possibly EV will give Black Hole commendations. Did you really think Bioware was going to make it THAT easy to get raid gear? Sorry to disappoint.

Thank you to Tesar <The Sundered Guard> @ Warriors of the Shadow serverfor finding this out and to Dulfy @ Dulfy.net for posting this information.

EDIT: And just to clarify... Campaign gear is more than likely going to be dropping in HM EC (Explosive Conflict). Link for clarification on stats.

http://mmo-mechanics.com/news.php?ar...-stats-preview

Sorry to rain on your parade.

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Veimi
03.21.2012 , 01:22 AM | #196
Sorry soloplayers, you won't be getting the ops loot for free. Read the post above me.

Great news to start the day.
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drosalion
03.21.2012 , 02:01 AM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Veimi View Post
Sorry soloplayers, you won't be getting the ops loot for free. Read the post above me.

Great news to start the day.
lol'd @ 'free'

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BeeSiK
03.21.2012 , 02:05 AM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
So then a solo player should not be motivated by gear either then huh?
MMO's are not a solo game...if u play an mmo solo youll get bored way too quickly....so if u want gear go find a pug or apply for a guild...

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Master-Nala
03.21.2012 , 06:02 AM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by BeeSiK View Post
MMO's are not a solo game...if u play an mmo solo youll get bored way too quickly....so if u want gear go find a pug or apply for a guild...
I know people who have played MMORPGs for many years solo. It's not my cup of tea, but they do exist.

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krinaman
03.21.2012 , 06:18 AM | #200
There is nothing factual about it at all. You keep claiming something is "raid" gear when there is nothing that makes it so.

Furthermore raiding is not competitive at all unless you make it so. In fact it's more cooperative and allows for weaker players to get carried to free loot.

I've seen raid spots sold in many games because once the whole raid is over geared they can beat it down a man or two. So the drag someone through and if they die just rez them and hand them loot.

I'm sorry but "I'm a raider therefore I'm entitled to have the best gear that only raiders can have" isn't much of an argument.