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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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NasherUK
03.20.2012 , 09:33 AM | #801
Flashpoint groups should be kept to same server only. Otherwise, like wow it destroys any sense of community :/

Because of things like this and insta-travel everywhere wow is no longer an MMO. It's a hack and slash game with cities acting like 3d chat rooms

Many people came to TOR BECAUSE they dont like wow any more, mainly due to crap like this. Bioware should not be trying to copy wow....

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Meldwyn
03.20.2012 , 09:35 AM | #802
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
I'm going to link this again for you to see. This was a concept someone proposed for a PvE LFG that isn't an automated system but would also avoid the whole General Chat Spam. NOTE this is just something a player put together and I found it to be a great piece of work. The thread is titled Group Mission Queue (Dungeon Finder) Pane Concept he even included an image of the Concept LFG Tool for us to see.

Even if you could go with the whole auto assign members and teleport you to the flashpoint but I don't wish it to be cross server.
Not a bad concept, and certainly a step in the right direction.

However, it is still very manual and only zone specific (WoW had this for Raids at one point, if I recall). I think a game that can automatically match players up for a WZs can do the same for PvE content. We can certainly start with same server, but I am confident it will go cross server at some point within the next year, or in the next "expansion".
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Blackardin
03.20.2012 , 09:40 AM | #803
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
What I liked most about older content and the cross server LFG tool was that it matched you with other characters at the appropriate levels for the content. It was near impossible to pull a group of friends and family that were all at the same level and the appropriate roles for any given dungeon without this tool (all leveling alts at the same time). I didn't enjoy getting "run through" older dungeons (cheap). I liked experiencing them and struggling through them with others who were at that same level. I even enjoyed doing this with total strangers. I never found rude or obnoxious players while doing this. Max level heroics, maybe, on occasion, but it wasn't the norm.

Granted, my experience may not be applicable to all, but I am not aware of any thorough studies about the "collapse of communities" and the reasons for it out there. If you are, please provide link.
No, I have to yeild to this point. It would make older content more viable because that is truly where one can hit a wall. I see no harm in this. However, I do feel that this game eliminates the need for such with the dynamic they have introduced for leveling. One can level through the entire game solo.

Now, if we are talking old flashpoints and heroics, sure, it could work....but, as you tended to imply, for new content, heroics etc? no. I see this as more game breaking then enhancing. For raiding? I did a few of the pug raids at the end. What a mess. People coming and going. No one paying attention. Leaders that had no clue. Yelling, complaining, foul language.

yes, just my personal experience....but it was like a playpen. ;p

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Meldwyn
03.20.2012 , 09:45 AM | #804
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
No, I have to yeild to this point. It would make older content more viable because that is truly where one can hit a wall. I see no harm in this. However, I do feel that this game eliminates the need for such with the dynamic they have introduced for leveling. One can level through the entire game solo.

Now, if we are talking old flashpoints and heroics, sure, it could work....but, as you tended to imply, for new content, heroics etc? no. I see this as more game breaking then enhancing. For raiding? I did a few of the pug raids at the end. What a mess. People coming and going. No one paying attention. Leaders that had no clue. Yelling, complaining, foul language.

yes, just my personal experience....but it was like a playpen. ;p
I can't even imagine raiding with pugs from cross servers. I haven't played WoW in about a year, so this was implemented after I left, but as a former raid leader with some pretty strict conduct rules for my guild, I can't ever see using that tool effectively. No thanks!

And yes, I would limit cross server LFG for older content and non-max fp's! I think that opens up otherwise forgotten or inaccessible content to all players. Especially since this game is so alt heavy.
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Blackardin
03.20.2012 , 09:46 AM | #805
Quote: Originally Posted by Quzum View Post
While the LFG tool contributed to the community problems in WoW, you can't just say it created the problems. All of the problems that have been complained about and blamed on the LFG existed long before they had the LFG. The LFG just increased the average players exposure to the type of player that does not contribute to building a positive community experience for players.

It could also be argued that the very size of WoW contributed to this just as greatly as the LFG tool as well. There just isn't enough data to succinctly prove anything though. It's all just anecdotal evidence.
No, no. I'm not saying that it caused the problems. I'm arguing that it provided the vehicle from which it grew and expanded. Sort of like a petri dish for mold to grow. ;p

We have an LFG tool. People are not using it, and then complaining that we need something better that is not really better at all. There is a concept posted here, above, that I personally like. I'm not opposed to improvements. I just see cross server as a very bad thing overall.

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Blackardin
03.20.2012 , 09:48 AM | #806
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I can't even imagine raiding with pugs from cross servers. I haven't played WoW in about a year, so this was implemented after I left, but as a former raid leader with some pretty strict conduct rules for my guild, I can't ever see using that tool effectively. No thanks!
Bedlam. Like nothing you've ever seen. LOL

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And yes, I would limit cross server LFG for older content and non-max fp's! I think that opens up otherwise forgotten or inaccessible content to all players. Especially since this game is so alt heavy.
Agree, for the reasons you state.

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chaosdefined
03.20.2012 , 09:58 AM | #807
A few complain that the LFG Tool destroyed the community in WoW, yet that game is still sitting pretty on around 10million subscribers.

Those same people say that this game is much better off without an LFG Tool and yet it seems to be struggling to keep subscriptions.

I think that is a pretty strong case alone.

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DarthKhaos
03.20.2012 , 10:05 AM | #808
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
Not a bad concept, and certainly a step in the right direction.

However, it is still very manual and only zone specific (WoW had this for Raids at one point, if I recall). I think a game that can automatically match players up for a WZs can do the same for PvE content. We can certainly start with same server, but I am confident it will go cross server at some point within the next year, or in the next "expansion".
Note that the initial concept was showing for heroic quests which would be located on a specific planet. It could easily list instead of "Balmora" but "The False Emperor" or "Foundry" to show players LFG or groups LFM. Yes this is still a manual system which was designed as an upgrade to the current LFG tool.

Some may discount the effect of being anonymous on the actions of some people but others don't. I have left parties because I joined to notice a member was on my ignore list. Hopefully any automated system put in place will account for such things however it cannot let you invite players you know to be good.

The thing is even if someone isn't on your friends list you may have recognized them and recall they know what they're doing. You can decide to invite them if you see them in the list. This is just a single benefit of a manual system. The fully automated system for PvP has its disadvantages also because we all know be it PvP or PvE when the game randomly tosses the group together you tend to get a bunch of idiots more times than not. I've banged my head against my desk enough time at the lack of common sense displayed by players sometimes.

Bottom line is whatever system put in place I'd like to be able to interact with cool people I encounter through this type of content. More than just chatting. Even if they allow you to add people on other servers to your friends list you can't get their help or help them with heroic quests, crew skills, meet up over in Tatooine for some good ole free for all PvP or just act the fool on fleet together.

Cross server isn't going to allow for that.
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ferroz
03.20.2012 , 10:08 AM | #809
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
It has been demonstrated to have a vastly negative effect on "community" as well as inspiring negative individual behavior.
No, it's been claimed that it had a negative effect, but that hasn't been demonstrated.

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It paved the way for such issues as "trash talking", "insulting and rude behavior" with no repercussions for such behavior.
Those issues existed in EQ, before wow existed. They existed in wow before lfd.

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The greatest lie is that grouping will become easier, or faster and that is a fair trade-off. This is also untrue.
No, it's quite true.

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DPS queues were getting longer and longer.
No, they had been pretty stable for more than a year; there was a change when cata launched, since the content was hard enough to make some people not want to tank.

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The experience itself was deemed "poor", or "not enjoyable" by many.
The experience itself was also deemed good and enjoyable by many.

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My last Queue for dps resulted in an estimated 1 hour wait.
My last queue for dps resulted in a 10 minute wait.

There are ways to improve grouping, but a cross server LFg tool is indeed one of them; it's the best of them, in fact.

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ferroz
03.20.2012 , 10:09 AM | #810
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
And the one song pony strikes again. No one is advocating a General/LFG Chat spam. Well I'm not. Geesh...
you're advocating a system that isn't as effective as general chat spam...