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DarthTHC
03.19.2012 , 06:28 PM | #751
Quote: Originally Posted by Aidinal View Post
I cancelled my account today because I'm unable to find enough guild mates, friends or people online with any interest in running FP's or any group content.

I used the LFG tool in WoW every day to run dungeons and heroics, I found it met my need for gameplay in a 2 hour timeblock. I rarely ran into loot, social, or group issues that continue to get mentioned here. Actually it opened up more content and a more diverse player base than I had been accustomed to. Which in turn enhanced my gameplay and allowed me to stay a member of the community for a greater period of time. In other words, it was fun and I enjoyed the unique challenges that came with unique random groups. Not just the same 4 or 5 guild mates running through the same content like you have now is SWTOR.

SWTOR has a great deal of improvements and enhancements to make before I or any of my friends even begin to think about coming back.
That is very important and I had forgotten about it until I read your post.

LFD drops you into random groups. 1 tank of a random type. 1 healer of a random type. 2 DPS of a random type.

I played a healer in WoW. I really did enjoy bouncing into a mixed composition group and seeing what happened. I remember once I got this tank who was so good and so well geared he didn't take damage. I asked him to remove some armor so I'd have something to do. He did. That was a great moment in gaming that I'd never have had if not for the X-LFG tool.

Sometimes I got into groups with bads. Not underperforming players, but idiots who would behave badly. We usually kicked and replaced them, but sometimes if the rest of the group was good enough we'd 3-man it. That was fun, too, and brought a challenge when sometimes there wouldn't have been one otherwise. Of course with pets here, the same scenario might not be as challenging.

After playing SWTOR I have no desire to go back to WoW, but I think the longer I have to go without a quick, easy way to get a group, the more likely I am to cancel my subscription here.

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Umorrian
03.19.2012 , 06:31 PM | #752
I love how everything works fine on one server, but when you enable cross server suddenly theres an imbalance in classes and half the people are trolls and afk'ers. Like they just pop up when you enable cross server queues.

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NotDonnaReed
03.19.2012 , 06:48 PM | #753
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaititiro View Post
I agree with this. The amount of whining and horrible behavoir from the WoW community after lfd and lfr were implemented was intolerable. If such a thing goes live in swtor I will be immensly dissapointed and just move on to another game.
This is my feeling as well. I love WoW and would almost certainly still be playing that game if I didn't have to put up with so many obnoxious people. After two years of LFG, my server became totally dysfunctional. I found another server that seemed friendlier, and in less than a year that server was just like the other one. It was the people, not the game, that caused me to quit. If the GMs had been willing to whip out the ban stick occasionally, things might've played out differently. Instead they seemed to ignore or even condone offensive behavior, which caused the player base to skew increasingly nasty.

To the guy who claims only 1% of random queues were problematic: I imagine you're fudging the statistics to support your own position. If not, count yourself lucky. From my experience, it was more like 10% hostile and 20% incompetent (i.e., multiple wipes). I guess 30% bad may sound okay if you're desperate to run flashpoints, but keep in mind that the other 70% weren't exactly great either, since most people couldn't even be bothered to type 'Hi' before they started pulling. The bad experiences also tended to be far more memorable.

I'm going to tell the LFG people what I wish someone had told me three years ago: stop complaining and join a guild. Even on my stinky light-pop server, there are three guilds actively recruiting for all levels. I ran through almost every flashpoint at the correct level because I had a guild. I'm running hard modes 3-5 days a week now because I have a guild. If you have decent social skills and are willing to play a tank or healer, it's actually very easy to find groups for flashpoints (not so much for heroics; nobody wants to do those). If you don't have social skills, why are you playing an MMO?

The LFG will create more problems than it solves.

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Kaititiro
03.19.2012 , 06:56 PM | #754
Quote: Originally Posted by Aidinal View Post
I cancelled my account today because I'm unable to find enough guild mates, friends or people online with any interest in running FP's or any group content.

I used the LFG tool in WoW every day to run dungeons and heroics, I found it met my need for gameplay in a 2 hour timeblock. I rarely ran into loot, social, or group issues that continue to get mentioned here. Actually it opened up more content and a more diverse player base than I had been accustomed to. Which in turn enhanced my gameplay and allowed me to stay a member of the community for a greater period of time. In other words, it was fun and I enjoyed the unique challenges that came with unique random groups. Not just the same 4 or 5 guild mates running through the same content like you have now is SWTOR.

SWTOR has a great deal of improvements and enhancements to make before I or any of my friends even begin to think about coming back.
I get it. You can't play the game how you want andyou have left. Not every game has to be for everyone. I think that merging servers and implementing a *same server* lfd tool would be a good thing to do, and encourage people to be a community. However, I feel that a cross server lfd does nothing to improve a mmo game. If there is a way to group with specific people that you meet and interact with across server again if you so choose, a "friends list", then fine, I say bringit on. But I think that if there are 10-20 servers constantly low pop, there needs to be merges first, before BW starts with cross server tools.

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Touchbass
03.19.2012 , 06:58 PM | #755
Quote: Originally Posted by NotDonnaReed View Post
This is my feeling as well. I love WoW and would almost certainly still be playing that game if I didn't have to put up with so many obnoxious people. After two years of LFG, my server became totally dysfunctional. I found another server that seemed friendlier, and in less than a year that server was just like the other one. It was the people, not the game, that caused me to quit. If the GMs had been willing to whip out the ban stick occasionally, things might've played out differently. Instead they seemed to ignore or even condone offensive behavior, which caused the player base to skew increasingly nasty.

To the guy who claims only 1% of random queues were problematic: I imagine you're fudging the statistics to support your own position. If not, count yourself lucky. From my experience, it was more like 10% hostile and 20% incompetent (i.e., multiple wipes). I guess 30% bad may sound okay if you're desperate to run flashpoints, but keep in mind that the other 70% weren't exactly great either, since most people couldn't even be bothered to type 'Hi' before they started pulling. The bad experiences also tended to be far more memorable.

I'm going to tell the LFG people what I wish someone had told me three years ago: stop complaining and join a guild. Even on my stinky light-pop server, there are three guilds actively recruiting for all levels. I ran through almost every flashpoint at the correct level because I had a guild. I'm running hard modes 3-5 days a week now because I have a guild. If you have decent social skills and are willing to play a tank or healer, it's actually very easy to find groups for flashpoints (not so much for heroics; nobody wants to do those). If you don't have social skillsEDIT:And willing to play a tank or healer by your admission, why are you playing an MMO?

The LFG will create more problems than it solves.
That doesn't work, if the X-LFD is such a problem then why don't you take your own advice and join a guild? No reason to knock one of the most success tools in MMORPG history because you don't like it

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NotDonnaReed
03.19.2012 , 07:06 PM | #756
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
Also the ludricous gear requirements to run HM's (you can't find a group for normal instances, tyvm gear ladder system) are insane as everyone wants "quick easy HM, be geared plz".
I wanted to point out that it's pretty easy to get geared for hard modes. You just need to run 1-2 weeks worth of daily quests on Ilum and Belsavis, so you can upgrade the armoring/mods/enhancements in your orange gear and purchase one Rakata earpiece or implant. If you stalk the GTN, you'll probably find crafted pieces or drops that will take you the rest of the way. My guild has crafted epic bracers and belts, since those are the only difficult pieces to find in orange gear. I wouldn't bother running the level 50 normals at all until release 1.2 because many of the bosses currently drop green gear. You're not likely to get many upgrades there.

Fully upgraded orange gear will in most cases have better stats than the Tionese gear, since the tier gear prioritizes endurance over your primary stat, although you may still want to buy two pieces of that to get the set bonus.

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DarthTHC
03.19.2012 , 07:21 PM | #757
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaititiro View Post
I get it. You can't play the game how you want andyou have left. Not every game has to be for everyone. I think that merging servers and implementing a *same server* lfd tool would be a good thing to do, and encourage people to be a community. However, I feel that a cross server lfd does nothing to improve a mmo game. If there is a way to group with specific people that you meet and interact with across server again if you so choose, a "friends list", then fine, I say bringit on. But I think that if there are 10-20 servers constantly low pop, there needs to be merges first, before BW starts with cross server tools.
You need to stop expecting a server merge. EA owns BioWare. EA is a publicly traded company. If they merge servers, they are, to the investing community, admitting "defeat". Their stock price will be impacted.

You are far more likely to see x-lfd than a server merge as the earlier action.

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NotDonnaReed
03.19.2012 , 07:24 PM | #758
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
That doesn't work, if the X-LFD is such a problem then why don't you take your own advice and join a guild? No reason to knock one of the most success tools in MMORPG history because you don't like it
I think I stated 3 times that I did join a guild, and it worked. I have queues whenever I want them.

I think I also stated that my objection to an x-lfg tool is that it poisons the player base whether I use it or not.

As far as it being "one of the most success tools in MMORPG history" ask yourself why this game is full of WoW refugees. Almost everyone in my guild came here from WoW.

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Akash
03.19.2012 , 07:28 PM | #759
I use LFD several times a week in Rift, and have for many months.

It works fine, and I've not experienced any of the poor behavior people experienced in WoW.

I'm not sure why WoW seems to have had such an amazingly bad community.

It's sad that it did.
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Shogunjedi
03.19.2012 , 07:33 PM | #760
We need to have LFD with local and Cross server option.
If u hate it so much you can always do guild premades.

I chuckle every time i see people say LFD is life threatening and ruins community.

There is always a choice .