Healers be happy - No nerf in pvp

Good Luck planting a bomb with only heal specced classes.

Except your instant hot gives your quick heal an effective crit chance of 100%.

Thus for a sorc:

1.2 Resurgence->DH will heal for more on average than 1.1.5 REsurgence->DI while taking the same amount of time to cast, and consuming less of your force resource.

You're chance for a 'critted burst' goes away, but your average healing goes up.

The only real loss thats sorc healers suffered was the fix to double-tapping DI, which was needed, and now consumption will take your health every time, which was needed.

But then again, Sorcs feel that maybe their QQing can make their class OP again, just like QQing got these changes.

Huttball is not as good for us as classes that can run around healing at the same time.

We wear light armor.

All our casts are stationary except one.

We get focus fired and destroyed fairly quickly without the survivability of other healers.

We have very little in the way of crowd control powers, interrupts or the ability to escape.

We can barely kill any of te other classes unless we win a long drawn-out battle of attrition and don't do much dmg overall in any event.

Now that I think about it more I think we are saying the same exact thing. I'm just canceling out the damage with the damage reduction and then adding the heal. While you are canceling out the damage with the heal and adding the DR. (3-2)+5 = (5-2)+3

I suppose what it comes down to is no matter how you reorder it it all falls the same. being a healing class (with the current expertise model) will exponentially increase your survivability as expertise gets higher and higher.

Even without the healing increase to expertise at all. healing would still grow faster than damage.

25% expertise on all players without healing bonus
Victim health = 150
DPS hits for 100*1.25 = 125 damage.
Victim takes 125*0.75 = 93.75 damage
Victim health = 56.25
Victim heals for 100
Victim health = 156.25

I think this is what bothers me and others most. Healers (especially with the guard mechanic) are some of the hardest to kill characters in PVP if not the hardest. The increase to expertise will just make them even more durable.

Except if you're using that crit quick heal instead of one of the other ones, you're an idiot. Your math is wrong. It will not beat a crit of DI and it won't beat Innervate crits.

Nobody is disagreeing wih the double tap fix...that was not working as intended and isn't part of the conversation about what people are reasonable concerned about.

What makes you think Sorc HEALERS were OP? Depending on the WZ they frequently get beat on the healing chart. Huttball is not as good for us as classes that can run around healing at the same time. We wear light armor. All our casts are stationary except one. We get focus fired and destroyed fairly quickly without the survivability of other healers. We have very little in the way of crowd control powers, interrupts or the ability to escape. We can barely kill any of te other classes unless we win a long drawn-out battle of attrition and don't do much dmg overall in any event. So tell us...what was OP about sorc HEALERS?

Yeah, that's just it. We're agreeing (mostly) but just viewing it differently.

I'm analyzing each aspect of expertise separately whereas you're tending to lump the healing and mitigation portion of expertise together and label it all as "healing." I would agree that they both contribute to the same thing, but I would label that animal "survivability."



Yeah, I definitely get that. But I'd like to point out that a DPS player can have the guard mechanic on them while being healed by their healer. On a team, the healer isn't able to survive any better than any other member unless they prioritize healing on themselves, and the tank prioritizes putting guard on the healer. This is a tactical decision, though, and is not an inherent factor in a healer's survivability.

Does this tactical decision get made more often than not? Hell yeah! How many healers and how many DPS players are usually on a team? 2 healers 6 DPS is pretty standard; when this is the case, it naturally makes sense that the healers and tanks prioritize healing and guarding the class archetype that the team has fewer of. What do you think would happen if it was the other way around? 6 DPS players and 2 healers? I know I sure as hell would focus way more on making sure our two DPS players don't die than I would focus on keeping myself/another healer alive.

There's always another way to look at something, but I find that analyzing factors individually to determine how they all contribute to the overall picture to be more useful than trying to look at the whole picture at one time. It's easy to add everything up in the end!

On a side note, I vote that our back and forth over the past couple of pages is stickied as a demonstration of how to not spew useless drivel back at other people on the intrawebz!

So I'm to understand that spending time to HoT (which is already on a cooldown) then using a quicker but highly force-inefficient heal that CRITS for 2k is better than my 4.3k crit heal, 2800 non-crit heal as it stands? I can't spam the lower value heal because, while it's quicker, it in no way comes close to healing, it merely slows down the target's health loss (no upward movement at all) and runs me out of force MUCH quicker. I can't tell you the last time I bothered with the weenie heal. And now, I'm going to watch those awesome 1.2k non-crit heals while waiting to blow a GCD on a useless HoT (that is also wasteful of force) so I can heal for 1/2 to 1/4 as much while having no real way to regen force without killing myself?

LOL. Play a healer.

Good luck planting it with a DPS team fighting them. See how that works?


Heal team can't be killed and can slowly wear dps down freely as they please (eventual win).



DPS can't stop a heal team in anyway.




Which is more useful to play?