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Marmerus
03.19.2012 , 11:11 AM | #771
Quote: Originally Posted by byteresistor View Post
I read it and I don't agree. You got a problem?
Ok I'll explain it.

He or she is complaining this game has an annoying lag when you use your abilities and because of this lag you can't tell if a person is a clicker or not.

But I guess he or she has a point. Not being a clicker you more than often manage to cancel out your instant cast spells with instant casts, dismount because you move to fast after you mounted, watch animations of your character doing something while its not and watching global cool downs even if you have not managed to cast your spell yet.
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Dayln
03.19.2012 , 11:16 AM | #772
Quote: Originally Posted by byteresistor View Post
Maybe in a trivial matter which cannot be verified empirically. In this case however we can, and have. Go to any MMO tournament and count the number of people participating there using the clicking method... you won't even need the fingers in only one of your hands to do that calculation I can tell you that much in advance.

I happen to use the keyboard for nearly all my skills, but I am not so stupid to think that others may not do just as well in other ways.

The only funny people here, are the ones that think they know what is best for everyone, they don’t.
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ferroz
03.19.2012 , 11:18 AM | #773
Quote: Originally Posted by byteresistor View Post
Maybe in a trivial matter which cannot be verified empirically. In this case however we can, and have. Go to any MMO tournament and count the number of people participating there using the clicking method... you won't even need the fingers in only one of your hands to do that calculation I can tell you that much in advance.
No, even if you're correct, all that says is and that most of the people interested in that level of competition buy into the hype that keybinding is better. It doesn't actually say anything about how good or bad clicking is compared to keybinding.

seriously: post some supporting evidence if you're going to make a claim like that.

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Toxen
03.19.2012 , 11:18 AM | #774
another reason i'm going to GW2...it'll put this whole clickers vs keybinder mess behind us
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Annedromeda
03.19.2012 , 11:19 AM | #775
Quote: Originally Posted by Trotmeister View Post
Clicked my way up to level 50, then realized that I won't be competitive at endgame without keybinds. Tried several layouts, didn't go well. Been googling MMO forums for a solution and found a thread about Logitech stuff. After some consideration bought G13 + G300 and totally loving it. Here's the layout I'm currently using as Assassin DPS. Most used abilities are at the center.

This could convert me if it isn't too expensive...
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Marmerus
03.19.2012 , 11:23 AM | #776
Quote: Originally Posted by Dayln View Post
I happen to use the keyboard for nearly all my skills, but I am not so stupid to think that others may not do just as well in other ways.

The only funny people here, are the ones that think they know what is best for everyone, they don’t.
You don't have to listen to people. Just use simple logic. Even if you are the worlds fastest clicker it would still take you time to look at your mouse pointer and move it from one ability to another. So when you have 3 abilities and none of them triggers a global cooldown the time it takes for you to move between the buttons is DPS you lose.

I think this is enough to make you understand the basic problems with playing as a clicker. Don't think I need to mention the other down sides like turning in PVP, focus in PVE, movement in PVE and the ability to adept and change in PVP and PVE.
@ Bioware
Stop trolling the EU. Fix the downtimes to the middle of the night and not in the middle of the morning / day.

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Marmerus
03.19.2012 , 11:24 AM | #777
Quote: Originally Posted by Annedromeda View Post
This could convert me if it isn't too expensive...
No need. G13 is for noobs. You can get more keybinds on your normal keyboard. Hell I even have more keybinds on my razer naga mouse than he has on his G13+Mouse.
@ Bioware
Stop trolling the EU. Fix the downtimes to the middle of the night and not in the middle of the morning / day.

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byteresistor
03.19.2012 , 11:28 AM | #778
Quote: Originally Posted by Marmerus View Post
He or she is complaining this game has an annoying lag when you use your abilities and because of this lag you can't tell if a person is a clicker or not.
Still a moot point because I can still tell the difference from the way the character moves, esp. in PvP. AND esp. if I'm against a melee class, I can just dance around them and they will hit me once in the same time I hit them multiple times. This is called... not being able to move your character around fast enough and press your abilities at the same time BECAUSE YOU'RE CLICKING! (oh and the backpedalling is also a dead giveaway... I'm not saying that all clickers backpedal but some of them do and since hardly any keybinder would do that the odds are it's a clicker who's doing it).

And I'd like to point out once more that I'm saying this as a former clicker myself. I too once thought I was doing just fine, but in retrospect I can admit to myself that I was 100% wrong and deluded.

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byteresistor
03.19.2012 , 11:30 AM | #779
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
No, even if you're correct, all that says is and that most of the people interested in that level of competition buy into the hype that keybinding is better. It doesn't actually say anything about how good or bad clicking is compared to keybinding.

seriously: post some supporting evidence if you're going to make a claim like that.
Why don't you (or your clicking buddies) go to these tournaments then and prove your point? What's holding you back? Oh... you're not a competitive player, is that it? What a convinient cop-out. Why don't you present evidence for your claim then that all the keybinders just happen to be competitive and all the clickers are not?

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Dayln
03.19.2012 , 11:31 AM | #780
Quote: Originally Posted by Marmerus View Post
You don't have to listen to people. Just use simple logic. Even if you are the worlds fastest clicker it would still take you time to look at your mouse pointer and move it from one ability to another. So when you have 3 abilities and none of them triggers a global cooldown the time it takes for you to move between the buttons is DPS you lose.

I think this is enough to make you understand the basic problems with playing as a clicker. Don't think I need to mention the other down sides like turning in PVP, focus in PVE, movement in PVE and the ability to adept and change in PVP and PVE.
Again you are arguing that you know what is best for everyone, I already know you don’t, there is no point in arguing.

I use the keyboard myself, but I am not an evangelist, and I have seen clickers that are quite successful, in fact some of the best PVP players on record have been clickers.

You may have religious feelings about how you play, doesn’t mean your way is best for everyone.

I use the keyboard because that is what works best for me, I am not so stupid to think my way is the ONLY way, it isn’t, and I know it isn’t, that is the only difference between us
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