1.2 Patch Notes for us!

AE Threat just got harder? No, it didn't.

Yes, yes, people should only attack the tank's target? No, no, they shouldn't. If you are tanking correctly, you are switching targets...a lot. If you are relying solely on Smash/Sweeping to keep AE Threat, you are doing it wrong. Your statement here indicates that you are also one of the (many) bad dps players in the game. Kill order is weaks/strong stragglers>strongs>elites>champion/boss. Always. As the tank, your primary target (elites) should always be the last to die. Always.

They raised the CD on our AE Taunt? Yes, they did raise the CD on an ability we don't even really need in the first place, if you are tanking correctly. This is no big loss in PvE, and a debatable one in PvP.

ZeroSSJJ - my statements here might seem like an attack, but they are not intended to be one.

One thing that I am wondering right now, is whether or not the *new abilities* we are supposed to be getting are included in the patch notes. Yes, there are new abilities there, but I took that to mean new attacks, not CD's, conditions, or proc's.

Riôt

To me it looks like Rage might have not gotten much but Veng Juggs just got a huge buff. Saber throw will let us use shatter now, we can dump our excess rage (which we have a lot of) for a heal, and Vicious Throw is now 30% HP. Currently I can get like a 95% Crit chance on Vicious Throw and it can hit for over 5k.

Also people saying our DOT's in Veng didn't get a buff are missing the fact that tier 4 gear with new damage formula calculations could mean the DOTs become OK. We just don't know.

That heal will use more than just excess rage. It will leave you rage starved and cut into your dps. it's up to 14 rage for a rather small heal for the cost.

They only way that works is if they've nerfed other classes even harder.

It will probably be harder for fresh 50s and under 50s without the gear to hold group threat, but I concur, its nothing that cant be worked around. I have PT tank and its AOE taunt is 45sec (albeit way way way better cause it is ranged). The AOE taunt is only ever useful once per pull I find anyway, about mid way when guys start dropping off aggro due to AOEs from the DPS and my taunt/stuns are on CD. I just figured that cause the PTs had the ranged advantage, ours was given the cooldown reduction to even it out. Now it is obvious that AOE tanking is best done by the PT, if it wasnt already. Bring on the challenge, Im getting bored in nightmare anyway

I'm baffled there isn't more of an uproar over the smash nerf. 3 seconds more up to 12 is 1/3 or 33% less damage we'll be doing on our only really good damage dealing skill. Now it's going to hit for 10% less too? One of you math guys wanna calculate a total percentage on how huge of a hit that is?

Amazingly the few nerf cries to the least powerful class in the game seem to have caught someone's ear, they can't possibly be justifying this on paper. If I had to guess the complaints came from the vocal healing crowd, hate to be able to kill someone with healing now.

Combined with the stun on leap, we're now a liability to our teams pvp effectiveness. Very sad day to be a Jug.

indeed.. a bad day for juggernauts

Don't understand why those idiots can't leave things be. Always gotta be screwin over someone, eh?

Can we confirm it is trainable. I thought passives were auto learned with the excepting of the adv class? I saw in PTR thread started about it that someone said they were playing on PTR and they did not have to train it, that it was auto learned.

If anyone knows for sure that would be great and save me the time of grinding to lvl 10 on the PTR, thanks

I'm curious about deafening defense talent on PTS, does it still have passive damage reduction on shien or not?