STOP copying WoW and start copying DAoC

MMO is about making money.

It's a business

You create a game that appeals to the greatest number of people.

That game was WoW, and still is WoW, and will probably stay WoW for many years to come.

DAoC had a much smaller player base, and an even smaller player base that even took the game seriously enough to place it on a pedestal and worship it even until now.

Bioware is not going to CHANGE their game for YOU or the small fraction of "hardcore PvPers" that you come with.

Either play the game as how it is, or don't play it.

I enjoy reading suggestions, but I despise reading about how awesome DAoC was and how every MMO should be just like it.

I also despise how "hardcore PvPers" like yourself think you're entitled to dictate how this game should be.

Go back to DAoC and leave us alone.

Or better yet, go come up with your own $400 million and make a DAoC clone.

I would just like to say, you lost all credibility with this line bro. The GW PvP is actually pretty well balanced all things considered. There are stock builds that are part of the meta, sure, but the best players make up new builds and find ways to counter the meta.

appearently you didnt get the gest of a damn thing i said so ill try once again.... im saying they should focus on NON instanced pvp rather than focus on ridicolous warzones that will become boring due to lack of diversity in matter of hours... the real focus should be on an ever changing world pvp that has a general purpose but still remains free for the player to decide how he wants to play and how many he wants to play with.
im not saying copy the classes obviously

What the hell is DAoC?

You show how little you know, if DAoC had the budget of WoW or SWTOR for that matter and could have thrown up a PR Campaign like either game the scales would be different, the game ran up to what a million players despite NO commercial advertisement. Hell half of you peons didnt even know the game excisted Conclussion is DAoC has by all standards and remains by all standards the most challenging pvp game and if you say otherwise it prooves you are a complete and utter tool who has no say in anything on the interwebz, theres no argueing a fact sorry bud, You'd say to me with a straight face that random zerging in a battleground/Warzone has anything on small man/solo/Group action where you proove yourself the better or the worse player everytime you enter a fight? come now don't embarass yourself, the world PvP is something to learn and live by , the DAoC Battlegrounds are something worth looking into , and ya know best of all is if they implement them i'll bet ya anything that the Warzones will become completely deserted and we'll be back to World pvp - MMORPG Fact... People prefers killing / hack and slashing to do useless random objectives and being told by random scrubs what to do ...."go plant the bomb on the door noob dont fight people omg" is one of such idiot comments, if YOU prefer to play pvp for ....well...PLAYING PVP? ....PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER? ..... Not CATCH THE BALL AND RUN .....not .... PLANT THE BOMB AND GET TO THE CHOPPAH.......or the all time favorite....CAMPCAPCAMPCAPCAMPCAP...yea... F THAT.... more actual PvP and less objectives k thanks bye

best pvp game of all times and the game we should hope and pray that BioWare are smart enough to learn from rather than to continue down this ridicoulous WoW path

So what's your game play about? Funding a business?

there seem to be quite a few people dismissing daoc because they've never heard of it or because it never enjoyed mainstream success or saying those of us who support it are just a group of nostalgic fanatics (which the op clearly is )...

the thing is, tho, is most of the people you're hearing support it are those who have both played daoc and WoW and the new generation of MMO's it's spawned, which, i think, kinda invalidates yalls stance on this.

post-wow mmo's are all designed to play like wow in pvp. i don't think there is any turning back to daoc-style, open world free for alls in games like these. i don't think it would work. class balance is different. combat is different. the community is different.

with that said i really wish someone would design a game with open world, 3 factioned RVR (not pvp!) in mind

When you can't construct a proper sentence, utterly disregard any form of punctuation (and no, emoticons aren't punctuation), and you call an incredibly successful game such as WoW a "failure" you've already lost any drop of credibility you hoped to once have.

Try putting together a halfway decent post with more substance than "this game I used to play was way better than this game I currently play so make this game I currently play more like this game I used to play but don't make it like that other wildly successful and popular game I for some reason hate because if you do you are wrong despite my obvious bias." (Whew, writing a run on sentence for effect like that hurt my heart...never again.)

Try it some time. See where it gets you.

Having been an avid MMO PvP specific gamer since the days of UO and DAOC (6+ years)--the new direction of MMOs is truly disheartning.

DAOC was not perfect, however--no game ever is. It was however, the most indepth, complete and FUN game I've ever had the priviledge to play with friends for many years.

It was a game where you had more customization (via realm ranks/crafted gear) than any game too date.

I could talk forever about DAOC, but for those that have played it--there is no need, we already know why that game design worked. For those that havent played, I feel almost sad for them--and always chuckle when the new, younger MMO players talk on these forums/general chat in game and think that WOW is the Holy Grail.

Sadly, DAOC was a very complex pvp system NOT designed for casual players. I can't even imagine the crying new players to that style of gaming would have; "what do you mean there is no induction bar?" or "How the hell can i get a spell off when i keep getting interupted by the sorc blanket mez?"

Id like to take this moment, and if I come off as being rude--so be it. WOW's business model--designed a concept that suited lazy developers and lazy casual instant gratification gamers. If you dont have alot of time to play because you have a busy life, maybe 'indepth' MMOs might not be your best source of entertainment--there are alot of great console games out there instead.