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an experimental spec and boosting shock crits

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an experimental spec and boosting shock crits

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mkster
03.13.2012 , 03:28 PM | #11
you have surging charge in your spec..... you cant use energize and surging charge. I mean it says right there on each tooltip in your talent trees. So unless you start with surging charge then do some weird rotation, then wait for 100 force and change to dark charge and do and even more awkward rotation which neither would get you any sort of respectable damage.

The only viable pvp specs are 31/0/10 or else some sort of darkness madness hybrid such as my fav of 27/0/14 with death field and the ****** thrash, but still keeping harnessed darkness.

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kijthae
03.14.2012 , 09:44 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Xancath View Post
What he means is that you CAN'T benefit from induction (3rd tier) in the deception tree UNLESS you're in surging charge. This is a change from 1.1.2 I think. Making the three talent points you've invested there entirely pointless.

As for your inquiries about surge etc, surge only hits heavy DR after about 73% so you're in the clear. As for why shock is hitting harder as full deception rather than your spec is because voltaic is applied after multipliers where as the recklessness boost from energize is applied before.

ie:

Let's say your shock hits for 1000 damage.

Full deception: (220% x 1000) x 130% = 2860
Your spec: 270% x 1000 = 2700

Why is this? Probably because voltaic is procced where as the other multipliers are considered innate. Furthermore, you may not be factoring in several things; tank assassins/consulers get an innate 10% reduction on elemental/internal damage, their respective class buffs give another 10%. And the targets you were testing your damage on may or may not have had expertise.

Even if your shock hit harder as the experimental spec, the damage the spec would put out would still be inferior to deception(surging charge IS substantial damage, people don't usually recognize this), darkness(harnessed darkness), or madness(crazy high damage). In addition, you'd only be slightly less squishy than deception but have none of the utility or self healing of either darkness or madness.

1-) My shock crits 4500 as full deception with all cooldowns to a mob at illum.

2-) Remove %30 damage from volcanic stash it crits 3150 with all cooldowns to a mob at illum.

3-) I am using dark charge with my experimental spec , not surging charge

4-) All points in deception tree are wasted , i dont care , I ONLY SPECED IT FOR Crackling Blasts

Crackling Blasts
Increases the critical strike damage dealt by your Discharge effects and Shock by [10 / 20 / 30 / 40 / 50]%.

5-) Induction doesnt already offer damage increase for shock so i dont care and i know it doesnt work with dark charge

6-) I only wanted Energize for %100 crit chance proc and %50 crit damage bonus with recklessness

Energize
While Dark Charge is active, damage dealt by Thrash, Lacerate, and Assassinate has a 30% chance to finish the cooldown on Shock and make your next Shock a critical hit. Energized Shocks that consume a charge of Recklessness deal an additional 50% critical damage.

7-) so with experimental spec , im hitting with trash getting energize buff , using recklessness and all offensive cooldowns from biochemy i used before , my shock crits 3.5k. It crited 3.150 with crackling blast and now there should be an other %50 crit due to energize. Is it only 350 damage ?

-I got %50 crit damage increase from crackling blast
-I got %50 crit damage increase from energize
-I got %72.36 surge

I think they applied a secret cap maybe.

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jkcheng
03.14.2012 , 04:34 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by kijthae View Post
1-) My shock crits 4500 as full deception with all cooldowns to a mob at illum.

2-) Remove %30 damage from volcanic stash it crits 3150 with all cooldowns to a mob at illum.

3-) I am using dark charge with my experimental spec , not surging charge

4-) All points in deception tree are wasted , i dont care , I ONLY SPECED IT FOR Crackling Blasts

Crackling Blasts
Increases the critical strike damage dealt by your Discharge effects and Shock by [10 / 20 / 30 / 40 / 50]%.

5-) Induction doesnt already offer damage increase for shock so i dont care and i know it doesnt work with dark charge

6-) I only wanted Energize for %100 crit chance proc and %50 crit damage bonus with recklessness

Energize
While Dark Charge is active, damage dealt by Thrash, Lacerate, and Assassinate has a 30% chance to finish the cooldown on Shock and make your next Shock a critical hit. Energized Shocks that consume a charge of Recklessness deal an additional 50% critical damage.

7-) so with experimental spec , im hitting with trash getting energize buff , using recklessness and all offensive cooldowns from biochemy i used before , my shock crits 3.5k. It crited 3.150 with crackling blast and now there should be an other %50 crit due to energize. Is it only 350 damage ?

-I got %50 crit damage increase from crackling blast
-I got %50 crit damage increase from energize
-I got %72.36 surge

I think they applied a secret cap maybe.
You got no force to crank out your shocks before you're killed. Energize's 50% crit dmg increase only works when you have Recklessness up, and I'm not even sure that 50% can cover the 30% base dmg increase lost by not having Voltaic Slash.

Say your Shock does 2000 damage.

With Voltaic Slash x2 you'd get 2600 damage.

2000 damage with 70% surge (to make math easier) and 100% extra crit dmg gives you 5400 dmg (when you have Recklessness up)

W/o Recklessness your Shock crits go for 2000 x 2.20 = 4400 dmg

a 2600 dmg shock critting at 70% surge nets you 4420.

4420 vs 4400 when you don't have recklessness up, not to mention the Shocks cost twice as much Force as with Induction. This build does not work.

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mkster
03.14.2012 , 04:57 PM | #14
i tried the same thing too, and was like wtfz0rz why doesnt my shock crit for 5200 easy lol, cus by whats written on the talents it should, but the talent that gives 50% more crit to shock and discharge require surging charge to be in effect. otherwise every tank sin would be running that as shock could be instantly cast over and over for 5k+ MUWHAHAH but im still happy with what im getting right now. 5091 was my highest shock crit ever in 31/0/10 which is just fine for me lawl the normal is about 3500

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mkster
03.14.2012 , 04:58 PM | #15
yea also about the 45 force cost shock OUCH

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jkcheng
03.14.2012 , 05:09 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by mkster View Post
otherwise every tank sin would be running that as shock could be instantly cast over and over for 5k+ MUWHAHAH
On the "over and over for 5K" part, no they won't. You don't get the 50% crit damage off Energize w/o using Recklessness, and you certainly will not have the Force to cast Shock over and over not to mention needing to Thrash to get the guaranteed crits.

If that part about Crackling Blasts requiring Surging Blasts is true, they need to have that in the tooltip.

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mkster
03.14.2012 , 05:12 PM | #17
IF that spec worked. which it def doesnt

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asillygoose
03.16.2012 , 02:23 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by kijthae View Post
1-) My shock crits 4500 as full deception with all cooldowns to a mob at illum.

2-) Remove %30 damage from volcanic stash it crits 3150 with all cooldowns to a mob at illum.

3-) I am using dark charge with my experimental spec , not surging charge

4-) All points in deception tree are wasted , i dont care , I ONLY SPECED IT FOR Crackling Blasts

Crackling Blasts
Increases the critical strike damage dealt by your Discharge effects and Shock by [10 / 20 / 30 / 40 / 50]%.

5-) Induction doesnt already offer damage increase for shock so i dont care and i know it doesnt work with dark charge

6-) I only wanted Energize for %100 crit chance proc and %50 crit damage bonus with recklessness

Energize
While Dark Charge is active, damage dealt by Thrash, Lacerate, and Assassinate has a 30% chance to finish the cooldown on Shock and make your next Shock a critical hit. Energized Shocks that consume a charge of Recklessness deal an additional 50% critical damage.

7-) so with experimental spec , im hitting with trash getting energize buff , using recklessness and all offensive cooldowns from biochemy i used before , my shock crits 3.5k. It crited 3.150 with crackling blast and now there should be an other %50 crit due to energize. Is it only 350 damage ?

-I got %50 crit damage increase from crackling blast
-I got %50 crit damage increase from energize
-I got %72.36 surge

I think they applied a secret cap maybe.
hey could u do a little more testing for me to see if this is true? i have a feeling its at 125 crit multiplier is the hardcap...

anyways could u try using energize without the recklessness? to test if u still get benefits from crackling charge? thanks a lot im just too poor to respec and stuff.