Expertise scales better for healers

The damage and defense WOULD cancel each other out if the two partys were doing the same damage to each other. Everyone know's healer (with the exception of BH/Troopers when at 30 stacks) do crap for damage. So in effect the net result is the DPS'r gets much more value from his 10% attack (10% of 2000 is greater than 10% of 500 .. trust me)

Now you could argue that the healer gains more from the defense stat since mitigating 10% of 2000 is better than mitigating 10% of 500 based on raw numbers (Ie the DPS'r mitigates 50 and the healer mitigates 200) The simple case is though that at those rates without healing the healer will die. Healers would become valor-cows. So healers heal to offset incoming damage. Now this is a choice .. heal or DPS. Healers tend to heal and run away since its not helping our team standing there trading blows with a DPS, and will generally get you killed Vs a good DPS anyway.

I do agree that healers get more powerful in a group situation, thats the archtype tho. Tanks also get more powerful in a group situation, as do DPS who can assist and work interrupt rotation.

I am all for Bioware making the WZ's queues more balanced and adding a *Queue as* feature where you queue's as a healer / tank / DPS and the game tried to balance the groups. I hate 5 healer games as much as anyone else. Nerfing healers on an individual basis because of that is dumb though. As is nerfing healers b/c some other classes have trouble (or cant) take them down 1v1. There are several classes that can destroy healers 1V1, if your not playing one get some help on that healer, its a team game. If you are playing one .. well get better.

I mean as a healer should I be calling for nerfs on marauders and sentinals b/c I cant solo a good one? Yet people feel its fine for them to call for a nerf on healers when they can solo one? /boggle. Bit of a one way street here no?

I have a feeling that some of this stems from servers where 1 side is rolling in warzones all the time. I know on my server it takes literally 4 - 5 hrs to get 3 daily wins during the peak hours of play. Gets SUPER annoying and what I see most of the time is stacked healer teams on the other side when we have 1 maybe 2 usually. Even as a healer its SUPER annoying.

chain lightning is usually instantly casted
thundering blast is elemental damage and not used in pvp
lightning strike is not used in pvp for good reason.

Real pvp abilities:
Telekenetic throw (per tick, 4 ticks in 3s): 0.79
Project: 1.85
Force in balance: 1.87
Telekinetic wave (3s): 2.02 (usually instant cast because of POM)
Weaken Mind:

With the exception of TT all of these abilities have more coefficient than Dark Heal (1.5 second heal) = 1.75, Dark Infusion (3 second heal) = 3.41 is obviously quite large because ... it's a 3s cast.

I love how the guy below you quoted you though

Can any1 whose not a nub argue w/ these facts:

Expertise favor's healing Agreed

Bio made heals do 30% less in pvp to balence that u need more heals for instance's Source pls? AFAIK the added trauma to make the games faster non heal fests. I've never read anything about instances requiring more healing. Theres WAY more damage floating about in WZ's than in instances .. WAY MORE

Bonus dmg scales betten then bonus heal Agreed

Heal abilities got a higher cofficient then dmg ablities Not so. I refure you to a post 1 page back

As u get geared its better to have cofficient then bonus See above

As u get geared u have signicifantly more hp then non-geared Agreed


Now pls tell me how those FACTS don't add up to what so many ppl are saying- that at high gear lvls the balence of pvp gets favored more to healing

If a DPS get +% Damage and Defense, then a Healer gets +% Damage, Healing, and Defense. The damage and defense negate one another. Nothing negates the bonus healing. If expertise gave -% Healing received by target of your attack, your argument would be accurate.

Additionally, you are absolutely correct that PvP is not balanced around 1v1. If it was, I would call for a healer buff as many classes can (slowly) work them down. However, healers only get MORE powerful when placed in a group situation, especially if there are a few other healers in that group

Finally, primary/secondary stats have lower healing coefficent, but the heals themselves have a larger coefficient than damaging attacks, so having a lower base bonus does not imply healing for a lower total amount.

I see. I was looking under advanced class, not base class. I was wondering where TT and Project were hiding. This is good information, but it only really shows that the most efficient attacks have slightly better coefficients than the least efficient (HPS-wise, not Force-wise, Force is a non-resource in PvP, but that's another discussion entirely) heal. They still don't hold a candle to the shield which in a 1v1 vacuum could be seen as an instant cast dark infusion with a 17 second cooldown. Obviously it gets much much better in groups.

As to Dark Infusion itself (since we're bringing up talents), sure it's a 3 second cast, but it's actually a 2.5 for anyone casting it, and for healers it's a 1.5 every 6 seconds. Which is at least every other cast of it, and (with a very small rotation) every cast.

However, this does illustrate probably the most direct comparison between a heal and a damaging attack:

Healing Trance - 1.03
Telekinetic Wave - 0.79

These spells are in all other ways mirror images of themselves, 4 ticks of damage/healing during a 3 second channel, but the heal has a much larger coefficient.

Healing Trance - 1.03
Telekinetic Wave - 0.79

These spells are in all other ways mirror images of themselves, 4 ticks of damage/healing during a 3 second channel, but the heal has a much larger coefficient.

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