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To many abilities - piano playing must be reduced...

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To many abilities - piano playing must be reduced...

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goulet
03.15.2012 , 10:56 AM | #181
i would say the problem isn't that there are necessarily too many abilities, but that your ability to efficiently use them relative to the ui is the problem. Even with key bindings, my 2nd through 4th hotbars are crt/alt/shift +# bound, you're constantly looking at every hotbar to manage cd's etc. Even if you memorize what ability is bound to what key you're still focusing your attention away from the center of the screen. Long story short when you're able to throw all your hotbars in one location it will ease a lot of the issues.


That being said the number of abilities does seem to very considerably on a class by class basis. If you think jugg is bad, try going with an operative who has ranged/heals/and melee abilities to organize (even with an additional hotbar for cover).
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt."

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BrutalPain
03.15.2012 , 11:04 AM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Scotland View Post
if you have problems using a keyboard, maybe an xbox or PS3 would suit you better.

i dont own a multi button mouse and i have a standard keyboard

i use qwertyasdfgh1234567890-=F1F2F3F4F5F6F7F8F9F10F11F12 and tab
i use alt + 123456F1F2F3
i use shift + 1234F1F2F3F4
i use my middle mouse button, space, home, end, pgup, pgdn
i use alt + home end pgup pgdn
i use all numbers on numpad
and i use my mouse for moving my screen about and on occasion selecting targets.
i also use alt + wheeldown and wheelup
last but not least i also have alt + f that i use
Thats at least 60 keys. Thats nice, but you only can bund 48 ability.

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BrutalPain
03.15.2012 , 11:11 AM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by goulet View Post
i would say the problem isn't that there are necessarily too many abilities, but that your ability to efficiently use them relative to the ui is the problem. Even with key bindings, my 2nd through 4th hotbars are crt/alt/shift +# bound, you're constantly looking at every hotbar to manage cd's etc. Even if you memorize what ability is bound to what key you're still focusing your attention away from the center of the screen. Long story short when you're able to throw all your hotbars in one location it will ease a lot of the issues.


That being said the number of abilities does seem to very considerably on a class by class basis. If you think jugg is bad, try going with an operative who has ranged/heals/and melee abilities to organize (even with an additional hotbar for cover).
The more you play the less you have to watch the bars. After some time you will know your < 15-20sec ablities if they are ready without checking it. You will only look for the 2-3min CDs.

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RoyFokker
03.15.2012 , 11:14 AM | #184
Practice more. The only classes that require anything close to piano playing are Sentinel/Marauder.

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Maestrodomus
03.15.2012 , 11:17 AM | #185
It's the best thing about PvP. Get better. Get a G13 and a Naga.
Dark Fury [Canderous Ordo]

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Scoobings
03.15.2012 , 11:19 AM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by MuNieK View Post
Yes, the skill of piano playing in short on forums called just "skill". I dont have it, i admit it - i can utilise only hotkeys i have listed in first post with exception for still comfortable shift+e,r,t,v,f. That doesnt require me to relocate my hand from my firm WASD comfortable position and i can transmit my intentions trough that firm interface to my character quite naturally without discomfortable struggle.

Im not good at this skill of piano playing indeed - but still there is humongous amount of players who are much much worse than me. But those players may have intelligence insetad, as i do have intelligence as my streght and i like to stimulate it while playing instead and i would like to utilise it in my gameplay comfortable way. Easy interface and complex gameplay - thats what people without piano-playing skill wants. Less hotkeys doesnt mean game is simpler... Unless you think chess is dumbed down games for noskills and idiots.

Please people stop filling this thread with your charmign story of how wonderfull piano-players you are or how happy you are with your keyboard-mouse - it just doesnt bring anything to discussion and only adds unneccesary pages.

If Bioware doesnt change their playerbase goal the people who prefer mind feast over fingers' struggle feast will just move to another game and swtor will stay labeled as game for skilled kids who are great at keyboard "piano-playing". Fine, i would just like to know if i should waste 1 more subscription in wait for some change or just move away already.
You can also rebind ctrl + the hotkeys that you mentioned. That might help you out if you haven't done that already. There's also ` (I don't remember if you added that).

I don't think chess is a game for dumbed down idiots because it's not the same thing is it? Apples and Oranges sir, and that's your problem. You keep trying to compare this to nonsense that has no correlation at all. That's what I keep explaining to you, and you keep druming up new examples that have nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Chess is about mental gymnastics and strategy. It has nothing to do with reflexes, and unless you're playing timed it has nothing to do with reaction speed.

Also, I haven't told any stories at all. I'm simply explaining to you the reality that whatever medium you play your video game on has in the skill cap of the game.

I do, agree with you on the fact that it's up to them what their target demographic is. You're right, they appear to be alienating people who like to take games more seriously. They're dumbing down PVP achievements and raid content appears to be getting easier not harder (though I don't raid. This is just what I've heard in the circles I play in.) So through this lens, maybe you're right. Maybe in terms of the BW business model if they are trying to eliminate reflexes as a deciding factor in pvp then I would agree with you. They need to dumb down the controls and consolidate moves.

I would argue, that it's better for the game this way and it would be to the game's detriment if it ever wants to be taken seriously as a competitive game (which appears to be their goal with rated WZs)
- Kaeljen, 50 Powertech - Mal'Shek, 50 Juggernaut
- Adien, 50 Assassin - Jest, 50 Sniper
- Kijaar, 15 Sentinel

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MuNieK
03.15.2012 , 11:20 AM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by RoyFokker View Post
Practice more. The only classes that require anything close to piano playing are Sentinel/Marauder.
You dont get it... I DONT want to be piano player. I will rather be PC player with mouse and comfy set of keybinds.

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Maestrodomus
03.15.2012 , 11:21 AM | #188
You don't get that you picked the wrong game.
Dark Fury [Canderous Ordo]

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BrutalPain
03.15.2012 , 11:22 AM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by Maestrodomus View Post
You don't get that you picked the wrong game.
Thats what I said 2times. This wont change in the game, he just dont get it.

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MuNieK
03.15.2012 , 11:22 AM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by Maestrodomus View Post
You don't get that you picked the wrong game.
perhaps. Yet i will wait and see if Bioware see the problem. If not i will move on indeed. Other mmorpg developers managed to avoid that problem, maybe Bioware will be succesfull too.