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Bioware,how are you going to make sure people dont spam pvp and get war hero in aweek

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Bioware,how are you going to make sure people dont spam pvp and get war hero in aweek

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Bannanaz
03.14.2012 , 09:14 PM | #41
this is a joke... I just spent 2 weeks off work "sick" - grinding BM... and now, they are simply taking the achievement/reward away from me. I bought the game on the understanding that this was a proper MMO...

at least with WoW it took 2/3 years before they began to cave in to whiners....

I am a casual gamer, I like having elitists on the server... makes the 4 hours a week I get on the game entertaining and competitive.

"you don't sell cinema tickets to 100 people for $10 and then sell 250 for $5 10 minutes before the screening."

This is like you saying, thanks for your loyalty in our first couple of months... now please move aside for new business...

....RAGEQUIT (just kidding)

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Sugarray
03.14.2012 , 09:18 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Niil View Post
What are you going to do to prevent people from just closing and reloading SW? The answer is nothing. You can't stop people from leaving if they want to. You can, however, address why people leave. Which is exactly what they're doing.
I think deserter buff did a decent job in WoW, and I'd like to see the same in this game.

Or simply remove 100k creds from quitters, unreasonable yes, but those losers will get the message fast..

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Jeskelech
03.14.2012 , 09:25 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Bannanaz View Post
"you don't sell cinema tickets to 100 people for $10 and then sell 250 for $5 10 minutes before the screening."
....RAGEQUIT (just kidding)
Actually they do, it's called filling the seats, and there by maximizing profit.

Sorry but you really might want to look into how economy works.

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Niil
03.14.2012 , 09:29 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Sugarray View Post
I think deserter buff did a decent job in WoW, and I'd like to see the same in this game.

Or simply remove 100k creds from quitters, unreasonable yes, but those losers will get the message fast..
They will never remove credits from people who quit because there are legitimate reasons right now to leave games. You seem to think that people should be mandated to be your personal pinata regardless of whether or not they're enjoying the experience. I will say that if I join a solo queue game and find I'm opposing a premade and I have any 11k hp fresh 50's, I quit immediately. I will not waste my time with a match that isn't winnable or at least going to be entertaining if I'm going to lose. I certainly won't stay because the premade gets upset if I do. And I respect similar choices on the other side of the fence. If people aren't enjoying the game it's their prerogative to leave. The fix is adjust how rewards are distributed so that losing isn't a waste of time (when who we're matched with is out of our hands in solo queue) and to adjust their matchmaking to minimize premades and to try to balance each side based upon the expertise total of the participants.

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Sugarray
03.14.2012 , 09:34 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Niil View Post
They will never remove credits from people who quit because there are legitimate reasons right now to leave games. You seem to think that people should be mandated to be your personal pinata regardless of whether or not they're enjoying the experience. I will say that if I join a solo queue game and find I'm opposing a premade and I have any 11k hp fresh 50's, I quit immediately. I will not waste my time with a match that isn't winnable or at least going to be entertaining if I'm going to lose. I certainly won't stay because the premade gets upset if I do. And I respect similar choices on the other side of the fence. If people aren't enjoying the game it's their prerogative to leave. The fix is adjust how rewards are distributed so that losing isn't a waste of time (when who we're matched with is out of our hands in solo queue) and to adjust their matchmaking to minimize premades and to try to balance each side based upon the expertise total of the participants.
Then apparently you are the ''kind'' of people I dislike in PvP. You'll have equal gear in 1.2 so no need to discuss that. How ever when you do leave cause you dont feel like you can win it, you abandon and put the rest of your grp at a disadvantage, also its often frustrating for someone els to join a game which is midway etc.

Effectively you screw over everyone els, just because you can't be bothered to lose, in my book thats a soar loser. Why do you play competitive games to start with? you must realize that you wont win all of them, but apparently you cant handle losing.

Honestly I have no respect for you or others who conduct themselves in similar ways.

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Bulvark
03.14.2012 , 09:40 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by MPagano View Post
This is a game. You paid for it, I paid for it. What makes you think that you should be entitled to some part of the experience that I'm not?

You're one of the people who thinks that sitting at your computer for 7 hours a day and 12 hours on a weekend day grinding through warzones to the point where you're not even thinking anymore means that you should be able to equip more stats and give yourself a distinct advantage over players who may be more skilled than you but can only play 6 hours a week.

And the real pvp'ers are actually looking forward to the implications of this patch. If it goes the way they described, everyone will be able to start rated WZs with war hero gear and then rank up from there based on performance and not time spent drooling on the keyboard.
So, by this (YOUR) Logic, PvE gear should be given away without doing OPs and HMs since they dont have time to do it as well?

Get over this "real PvPers" crap already. People are entitled to want, or desire anything they want. Your rant is as retarded and the ones by everyone else arguing over this subject. It will happen or it wont but either way the "real PvPers" will still play as they are now in the system as it is. Honestly, it seems the more people shout they are the "real" pvper or the "true" "hardcore" whatever are really just gtetting owned and want the easy mode and everything given to them.

BW should just add an "I win" skill for you all or a check box on character creation that lets you declare PvP or PvE intent. PvP intent players log in at lvl 50, Full PvP gear and 100 valor so all this whining and moaning will stop.

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Jeskelech
03.14.2012 , 09:41 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Sugarray View Post
Then apparently you are the ''kind'' of people I dislike in PvP. You'll have equal gear in 1.2 so no need to discuss that. How ever when you do leave cause you dont feel like you can win it, you abandon and put the rest of your grp at a disadvantage, also its often frustrating for someone els to join a game which is midway etc.

Effectively you screw over everyone els, just because you can't be bothered to lose, in my book thats a soar loser. Why do you play competitive games to start with? you must realize that you wont win all of them, but apparently you cant handle losing.

Honestly I have no respect for you or others who conduct themselves in similar ways.
Not to mention, that when loosers start leaving the warzone, it is frustrating for the winning team too, as they are essentially being deprived of their victory, in some cases the zone ends early, and this causes the winning team to loose valor, experience, and commendations.

Fight hard until the end, win or loose, that is the only way to go.

But it is a though one to handle; one thing you could do, this will ofc also hit people whith a valid DC or whom the game randomly throw to the character selection screen, is disallow reentry to the game for 5-10 minutes.

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Niil
03.14.2012 , 09:42 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Sugarray View Post
Then apparently you are the ''kind'' of people I dislike in PvP. You'll have equal gear in 1.2 so no need to discuss that. How ever when you do leave cause you dont feel like you can win it, you abandon and put the rest of your grp at a disadvantage, also its often frustrating for someone els to join a game which is midway etc.

Effectively you screw over everyone els, just because you can't be bothered to lose, in my book thats a soar loser. Why do you play competitive games to start with? you must realize that you wont win all of them, but apparently you cant handle losing.

Honestly I have no respect for you or others who conduct themselves in similar ways.
I don't mind losing, I mind when losing isn't worth the time investment and there's no chance of winning from the get go. I'm not really interested in garnering your respect or whether you approve of my opinion. If this happened once in a blue moon it wouldn't be a big deal, but when I play 8 or more games in a row where I'm matched with multiple people who have orange gear with mid 40's mods on and no expertise versus a bm or almost all bm pre-made, I'm not going to waste my time. If you want to stick that out, good for you. I won't. And there's absolutely nothing you (or anyone) can do to stop me from leaving if I make the decision to bail on the game. If you're not in agreement with the way I play, that's nice. I feel it's a legitimate reason to leave games and your approval isn't required.

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Sugarray
03.14.2012 , 09:44 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeskelech View Post
Not to mention, that when loosers start leaving the warzone, it is frustrating for the winning team too, as they are essentially being deprived of their victory, in some cases the zone ends early, and this causes the winning team to loose valor, experience, and commendations.

Fight hard until the end, win or loose, that is the only way to go.

But it is a though one to handle; one thing you could do, this will ofc also hit people whith a valid DC or whom the game randomly throw to the character selection screen, is disallow reentry to the game for 5-10 minutes.
I agree.

It is a shame for people with DC problems but I for one feel like its a necessary step.

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Sugarray
03.14.2012 , 09:47 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Niil View Post
I don't mind losing, I mind when losing isn't worth the time investment and there's no chance of winning from the get go. I'm not really interested in garnering your respect or whether you approve of my opinion. If this happened once in a blue moon it wouldn't be a big deal, but when I play 8 or more games in a row where I'm matched with multiple people who have orange gear with mid 40's mods on and no expertise versus a bm or almost all bm pre-made, I'm not going to waste my time. If you want to stick that out, good for you. I won't. And there's absolutely nothing you (or anyone) can do to stop me from leaving if I make the decision to bail on the game. If you're not in agreement with the way I play, that's nice. I feel it's a legitimate reason to leave games and your approval isn't required.
No you dont need my approval, I just hope that eventually devs will make sure people like you suffer the consequences for their actions.

Fyi, your actions are some of the things that can contribute to multiple losses. The game isnt won in the first 2min.