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SWImara
03.14.2012 , 01:34 PM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalPrime View Post
Some valid points??. He hit the nail on the head when speaking about the community which comes from these forums.
Couldn't agree more. I've been through many MMOs, forums are always bad, but the SWTOR ones are pretty much in a league of their own.

Thanks for the article OP, passed it along to my guildmates.

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AceMcVeer
03.14.2012 , 01:35 PM | #192
Spoiler




Put some spoiler tags up jerk

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Ivanblood
03.14.2012 , 01:39 PM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by Muskaan View Post
Per your logic, it effectively means that any new MMO will be inferior in quality to WoW and is doomed to failure because the new MMO will always be X years behind the market leader. Recall that the end-user i.e. the customer is paying the same subscription ($15 a month) for either product. So, why should the customer pay for an inferior product when they can get better service for the same cost. Alternatively, why would a company want to release a new MMO if they know that it's going to be a failure since it's always X years behind the market leader.

Or in case of SWTOR, is the Star Wars IP strong enough to brainwash the customer and keep them happy while they are literally being made to pay to beta test an unfinished and buggy product? So, in 7 years SWTOR will reach the state that WoW is now. Which means that every customer needs to pay 7 x 12 x 15 = 1260 dollars per head while they wait for BW to fix their bugs and poor processes? That's a lot of money to waste on hopes and promises. It would be way smarter to just unsub and come back 7 years later to see if the game is any better.

In reality, when a new product enters a market with a strong dominant market leader, the new product is expected to compete at equal footings with the market leader. In most cases, this is impossible since like you said, the market leader has a strong lead. So, the new product needs to offer incentives to sway the customers towards it and away from the market leader. In most cases it means a reduction in price compared to the ML. There are various other ways to try to make your product look more lucrative e.g. offering new features that the market leader does not have.

In case of SWTOR--

The price is same as the ML - same 15$ a month sub. So, no incentives in that front. Key feature - story. Is story good enough distinguishing feature to entice people? No it's not specially when the non-converging part (the unique class story) is around 10-20% of the character's leveling experience. The unique part is that it's a Star Wars IP. And that to me is the biggest selling point in the game. If it was not a SW MMO, given the current state, the game would have been dead already.
What betatesting ? The game is quite polished. I started to play since februry. And I havenīt confronted any bug yet. I just read in forums that some people have bugs. So this game is far from being a bug fest like some try to make believe us. I only miss some features from WoW which will be added with the upcomming patch.
I played many single player games. None of them has been polished like SWTOR.

These game surely has some bugs (I didnīt find any), but itīs far being considered betatesting.

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souloferdrick
03.14.2012 , 01:45 PM | #194
Hell hath no fury like an MMO player scorned.

If the author, in full view of years worth of evidence about the lack of congeniality on MMO forums was expecting a different result, well, there's a word for that kind of thing.

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Jederix
03.14.2012 , 01:47 PM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by -Kraxis- View Post
Maybe they should just stop releasing games 6 to 12 months TOO early (especially MMO's)! WHAT A THOUGHT?!?! DID I BLOW YOUR MIND?!

.. or hire some better F'in project managers.

Also, should have never joined up with EA.

/Captain Hindsight
With this mentality, no game will ever release ever again.
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Jederix
03.14.2012 , 01:49 PM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalPrime View Post
Some valid points??. He hit the nail on the head when speaking about the community which comes from these forums.
Well, I didn't read the article, but since you have chimed in, I'm assuming it wasn't very favorable to the game.

Hence, why you agree with it. Broken record is broken.

Edit: Ah, I may have misspoke; he must lambast the community in the article (again, I haven't read it). Yes, the forum community is horrid. But as the Internet ages, and things like Facebook and Twitter propegate, more and more people feel it is important that the entire world know everything that is in their minds, no matter how ignorant it might be.
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Frostvein
03.14.2012 , 01:53 PM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Jederix View Post
With this mentality, no game will ever release ever again.
Why? Are we as consumers not entitled to MMO's being released when they are ready? Where is this unwritten rule that says that MMO's are all supposed to be released early?
Meanwhile, in Tera general chat -

"The sad thing is, arguing with fanbois on the forums was more entertaining than their 300 million dollar single player MMO from 2008"

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Jederix
03.14.2012 , 01:55 PM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Frostvein View Post
Why? Are we as consumers not entitled to MMO's being released when they are ready? Where is this unwritten rule that says that MMO's are all supposed to be released early?
I have realistic expectations. You don't. This is the crux of the issue. You aren't entitled to anything.
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Blloodbane
03.14.2012 , 01:58 PM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by Jederix View Post
Well, I didn't read the article, but since you have chimed in, I'm assuming it wasn't very favorable to the game.

Hence, why you agree with it. Broken record is broken.
IMHO, the article was more favorable than derogatory.... The gist of the article is that players expectations were too high from their own imaginations and that people expecting it to be better than WoW after it has 10 years of polishing and added content and that SWTOR actually has as enough of some content that other games have (like PVP) and more "raid" content in the end as most just release one raid.

Then went to list some of the cons of the game, one of which is the community forums are suprising hostile and full of anger and hate...Some bugs and glitches not really game impairing, and things like that.

Summary, SWTOR is Good and has lots of potential to be better and even great with refinement and content. The hate comes three camps of people, SWG people, WoW dethroner hopefuls, and Star Wars Fans..... Each with a different gripe... which makes it sound like one huge gripe...

So all in all, people should give BW time to refine and enhance their product...
*The Sith Code* Peace is a lie ~ There is only passion~ Through passion I gain strength ~ Through strength I gain power ~ Through power I gain victory ~ Through victory my chains are broken ~ The Force shall set me free

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Frostvein
03.14.2012 , 02:00 PM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by Jederix View Post
I have realistic expectations. You don't. This is the crux of the issue. You aren't entitled to anything.
Don't presume to know what my expectations were or were not, or anyone else's for that manner.

You admitted that MMO's never come out finished. I asked you why that is the case. Answer the question at hand, not the one you conjured up out of mid air.
Meanwhile, in Tera general chat -

"The sad thing is, arguing with fanbois on the forums was more entertaining than their 300 million dollar single player MMO from 2008"
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