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Rule Of Two Is No More After Plagueis.

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Rule Of Two Is No More After Plagueis.

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Lord_Karsk
03.14.2012 , 01:44 AM | #1
This Darth Plagueis said in the novel Dart Plagueis. Still on master and one apprentice as always but more Sith as to be stronger and challenge the Jedi. This is why there were more Sith after when Sidious came to rule after Plagueis.He says that Bane's rule of two is "old"

The force is a living thing that evolve,Sidious also knew this.This is well described
in the episode III novel were Yoda admits the Sith has evolved while the Jedi have not.
This is why the light side of the force wanted to start over with Luke and the new Jedi order.

BTW i really recommend the book.Check out the sample of it under the image.
Awesome VO. Sample is about Sidious.Novel is about 65 years before battle of Yavin.
When Plagueis discover the future Sidious and we learn about Palpatines background.

http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_1...1710998&sr=1-1

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Quiet
03.14.2012 , 06:33 AM | #2
Star Wars canon = Movies/What George says > TV series > books

In the Star Wars: The Clone Wars tv series, Season 3 Epsiode 12 "Nightsisters" written by Katie Lucas (George Lucas' daughter)...

... Darth Sidious/Palpatine contacts Darth Tyranous/Count Dooku and tells him that he has sensed that Dooku's "assassin", Asajj Ventress, has grown strong with the darkside and wants to know if Dooku is training an apprentice so that they can overthrow him. Dooku responds saying she is just an assassin, but Sidious orders Dooku to kill her as a sign of loyalty to him.

Doesn't that show adherence to the Rule of Two?


IMO...
The Sith evolved into the Rule of Two.
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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Darth_Relick
03.14.2012 , 07:42 AM | #3
Right the sith rule of two has stayed though the reign of the emperor but it does change back to the old way after luke takes over and the sith make a great comeback as they always do

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FuriousJimmy
03.14.2012 , 08:44 AM | #4
Darth Plagueis were mostly looking to get rid of the rule of two simply because the rule of two is there to ensure the tradition continues because the assumption is that the master will always perish.(This is flat-out stated by Bane in his parts of Book of Sith). Plagueis and Sidious both wanted to live forever. Plagueis didn't even want secrets between him and Sidious because he wanted to combine all their resources into discovering eternal life. He was panicky about dying.

Regardless, they both still adhered to the rule of two, though Sidious continued to push borders on it by ensuring he had an apprentice lined up before he offed his master or lost his current apprentice.

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Rebelexile
03.14.2012 , 08:52 AM | #5
I thought it was Darth Krayt who overturned the 'rule of two', wasn't it mentioned in 'Crosscurrent'? Or am I getting it hopelessly wrong?
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wrong_turn
03.14.2012 , 09:13 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Karsk View Post
This Darth Plagueis said in the novel Dart Plagueis. Still on master and one apprentice as always but more Sith as to be stronger and challenge the Jedi. This is why there were more Sith after when Sidious came to rule after Plagueis.He says that Bane's rule of two is "old"

The force is a living thing that evolve,Sidious also knew this.This is well described
in the episode III novel were Yoda admits the Sith has evolved while the Jedi have not.
This is why the light side of the force wanted to start over with Luke and the new Jedi order.

BTW i really recommend the book.Check out the sample of it under the image.
Awesome VO. Sample is about Sidious.Novel is about 65 years before battle of Yavin.
When Plagueis discover the future Sidious and we learn about Palpatines background.

http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_1...1710998&sr=1-1
The TV show plays a little fast and loose with the Rule of Two, but Ventress is never a true Sith. She is an Acolyte not an Apprentice to Count Dooku meaning she was never going to raise to the level of Sith Lord. Plagueis may have suggested abolishing the Rule of Two, but it wasn't until well after Palpatine that it actually happened. So no, your wrong. The Rule of Two still exists after Plagueis.
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Wolfninjajedi
03.14.2012 , 09:32 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by wrong_turn View Post
The TV show plays a little fast and loose with the Rule of Two, but Ventress is never a true Sith. She is an Acolyte not an Apprentice to Count Dooku meaning she was never going to raise to the level of Sith Lord. Plagueis may have suggested abolishing the Rule of Two, but it wasn't until well after Palpatine that it actually happened. So no, your wrong. The Rule of Two still exists after Plagueis.
Yep, it goes away when Palpatine dies since there are no more true sith lords after him.
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Aximand
03.14.2012 , 10:39 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Yep, it goes away when Palpatine dies since there are no more true sith lords after him.
And that's the reason I don't count Jacen as a true Sith.

Or Krayt, or Talon, or any of those people.
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Toonimator
03.14.2012 , 11:16 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Aximand View Post
And that's the reason I don't count Jacen as a true Sith.

Or Krayt, or Talon, or any of those people.
Why? Krayt learned to be Sith from an ancient Sith Lord... and Vergere... he found many old holocrons and consulted them regularly. Some, like Bane's holo, considered him an imposter. Then there's the Lost Tribe, who may or may not survive FOTJ.

True, Jacen only really learned from Lumiya, who like Ventress wasn't truly Sith (TCW's not the only one that played fast & loose with the Rule; the EU in general did, too, like the REPUBLIC comics featuring many acolytes that weren't ever actually identified as Sith: Ventress, Sora Bulq, Tol Skorr, probably some others I'm forgetting; they aspired to be Sith, but were only ever tools of Dooku and Sidious; of course, Darth Maul was the same according to the Plagueis book, but be believed himself to be Sith and got the 'Darth' title too)

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Wolfninjajedi
03.14.2012 , 11:41 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Toonimator View Post
Why? Krayt learned to be Sith from an ancient Sith Lord... and Vergere... he found many old holocrons and consulted them regularly. Some, like Bane's holo, considered him an imposter. Then there's the Lost Tribe, who may or may not survive FOTJ.

True, Jacen only really learned from Lumiya, who like Ventress wasn't truly Sith (TCW's not the only one that played fast & loose with the Rule; the EU in general did, too, like the REPUBLIC comics featuring many acolytes that weren't ever actually identified as Sith: Ventress, Sora Bulq, Tol Skorr, probably some others I'm forgetting; they aspired to be Sith, but were only ever tools of Dooku and Sidious; of course, Darth Maul was the same according to the Plagueis book, but be believed himself to be Sith and got the 'Darth' title too)
Krayt was never a true sith lord, he was a self proclaimed one.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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