Please don't trivialize PVP gear in 1.2

Welcome to mmog pvp where gear should not be a big factor. If you want to chase lewtz then pve where all people do is chase lewtz.

These "true pvpers" seem to want 99% win chance. Better gear, premades, etc. Is it actually fun to faceroll over pugs in greens or smth? I never really got that. IMO that behavious also won't happen if the game does not reward it. Thus making the pvp experience more fun for the 95% of people who aren't going to grind zones 12 hours a day..
Maybe this game doesn't need hardhardhardcore players or rewards? I mean, most who whine about lack of hc rewards don't even know what hc means. Try some Korean mmos for that. :P

PvP'ers should not have to grind to 50, it should be equal, all should start at 50.
Also, the classes should all be the same if you PvP.
One class should not have abilities others do not in pvp, pvp should be about skill.

Wait, wait, wait, is PvP part of an MMO? Oh yea

**** Roll on a more populated server, is it that hard to understand? Bioware didnt make you chose your server so i believe it is your own fault right????

I know you continue to masquerade as a pvper but you are failing horribly. Pvp players do not want to out gear their opponents. It is not fun nor challenging.

Instead of constantly wanting these gear gaps to exist why not practice getting better at pvp so you will also see why such gear gaps are not good.

You aren't as smart as you think you are.

Agreed No one PVE's for fun over and over again.

But before WoW people PvPed for fun all the time in MMOs... in fact in WoW before battle grounds and finally resil gear, that's all PvP ever was in MMOs. fun and personal gain / enjoyment. people still PVP for fun in many MMOs. COH L2 GW/2 and LOTRO are just a few games that come to mind that have or had great no progression PVP. And pretty much any FPS or Sports game on the market also fall into this category of PVP for fun.

Like an Olympic gold medal you just want a distinct goal to work towards. a distinct way to show your achievement and set you apart from the pack right? And the gear Showing the world that you have skill and earned that gear. And giving you a carrot to reach for every season.


Because by your own words if you are competing in your bracket the gear doesn't even give you any advantage at all. None. Zero. The only advantage it gives you is over people less skilled than you that don't have it.

And the best gear will still go to the hardest working people in PvE you can still do OPS for progression. But that is where it should stay.

The problem with progression in PVP is that PVP either needs to hand out gear to everyone so fast that progression means nothing. OR you have the people with the best skill or most time on the top of the pack and no one else ever able to even compete. Where is the line?

This game was already getting like WoW where the PVP community slowly diminished because new PVPers couldn't compete at all. Why? Because they would get completely destroyed by the gear dependency. You say that your gear will not compete for you but already that's not true. In partial BM I can free attack fresh no expertise 50's to death... Free attack them to death! What do you think will happen when I have one of the next sets down the line?

You couldn't be more off in your understanding of what we're trying to convey.

We don't care if there's no gear. The only thing we want, is for stats to be the same amongst each class. So if a level 50 warrior pvps with 15k hp and 300 str, all warriors that pvp have those stats.

We don't care about HMs or epics or whatever else. What we care about is that when we queue up for pvp, we're playing versus the player. As it stands now, the game rewards people simply for playing- not for winning. The more time you sit in warzones, the more stats you accrue and the more of a distinct advantage you have over a player who has spent less time.

It shouldn't be like that. It's not fun, and it's not fair. Just because you spend 40 hours a week playing shouldn't mean that your character is now inherently better than mine. It's important to note that this isn't saying that you shouldn't be better from playing more. If you play 40 hours a week and you have become a better player at the keyboard then you should be better. However, the only advantage a player should have over another player in pvp should be skill and experience.

The people who want gear discrepancy simply don't like the fact that I might be better than you even though I only play for half as much time as you do.

He wasn't referring to length in queue times. He was saying that people should be paired based on some metric related to performance, and this pairing would restrict the pool of players queued in each eschelon which could be alleviated by cross-server queueing.

You are coming across as a lunatic.

There's no such thing as aesthetic progression of anything - it's personal preference. While everybody agrees that +10 to a stat is better than +5 to that same stat, people will never reach an agreement on one gear set looking better than other gear set.