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Please don't trivialize PVP gear in 1.2

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Please don't trivialize PVP gear in 1.2

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Sykomyke
03.13.2012 , 11:16 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by venjinze View Post
Again, going back to my first post, the gear should be statistically better for higher rated teams & players. This is not to have an advantage against lower skilled teams/players but to set a clear distinction and keep people interested in competing. My gear is never going to be able to compete for me or activate my skills.

No one PvE's for fun over and over(I'm sure people will argue against this but ultimately, people are there to get better gear), they do it in hopes of that last set piece or a rare weapon. I don't care about gear aesthetics, the best gear should go to the hardest working players, end of story. This is an MMO. If you want everyone at the same gear level, why bother having levels or any progression, why not just start everyone off at 50 with a full set of pvp gear, how many subscribers would SWTOR have? 0.
^This guy speaks the truth.

MMO's are about grind. Veiled grind maybe, but grind none-the-less. In order for grind to be "fun" there has to be a "carrot". Whatever YOUR carrot is determines how much you enjoy the game.

For some people the carrot is Story. (completing class quest)
For some people the carrot is Gear. (Attaining the best gear)
For some people the carrot is wealth. (Able to buy anything they want in-game).
For some people the carrot is Aesthetics (Being able to look the coolest)

And the list can go on, some people want to gather ALL the recipes for a certain profession; others want to attain all the achievments or datacrons. Or maybe it's a combination of the above examples.

The point about PvP gear being available...unless the grind for these items becomes massive; is that you'll have no tiers of progression. People will just save up for the best War Hero items.

Right now in PvE you have people go through Flashpoints/Operations. The natural progression is Tier 1 (Tionese/Exotech)--->Tier 2 (Columi/Crit-Crafted Purples) ---> Tier 3 (Rakata/Crit-Crafted Columi/Rakata Gear)

So why is it that it's ok for PvE to have progression, but it's not for PvP? Why are people so adament about "equal gear for all"? Who cares if that guy in War Hero gear decimated that fresh 50. If that fresh 50 REALLY wants to be competitive in PvP...he'll do the SAME VALOR GRIND that the War Hero did to get that gear. Then when he gets that gear, him and other War Hero's will be on even ground. It doesn't matter if that fresh 50 gets stomped. He's a fresh 50!!!

Fresh 50's get stomped regardless of where they are, PvE or PvP. So why the QQ about gear disparity in PvP? Earn your gear just like you earn it in PvE; stop asking for 'welfare epics' because you don't know how to play your class.
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richardya
03.13.2012 , 11:20 AM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by Groncho View Post
Well, we have found the PvGears code base here
This is how customers that are like hamsters in their wheels understand PVP
The words "skill" , timming, tactics and coordination have no place for this grindpack
Is sad
It's sad that you do not know what progression is.
Progression and skill are not mutually exclusive.
People enjoy progression, when I finished my BM gear I didn't enjoy rolling on new 50's. I still enjoyed the WZ's but missed the progression so I rolled an alt. I enjoy PvP even when I am the least geared.

Not all classes are balanced perfectly, not all WZ's are balanced perfectly and not all gear is balanced perfectly.

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darkmoney
03.13.2012 , 11:21 AM | #173
Everyone should have access to the same gear, I'm not saying it shouldnt be a long grind, but the difference gear makes in this game is huge.

And to have FUN pvp battles people need gear its not fun just to roll everyone all the time..... where is the challenge?

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RealAeiouy
03.13.2012 , 11:23 AM | #174
Op, real pvpers don't want a perpetual gear advantage as it inhibits enjoying wining a match.
I put the AssAssIn assassin.

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Dego_Locc
03.13.2012 , 11:25 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by RealAeiouy View Post
Op, real pvpers don't want a perpetual gear advantage as it inhibits enjoying wining a match.
Then "real PVPers" will find themselves very alone in this game's future, when the rest of us fake PVPers leave because we all ate our carrot too fast.
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1.2 makes valor rank worthless pretty much. The new War Hero gear is better than BM, and can be worn by fresh 50's

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Ojaix
03.13.2012 , 11:28 AM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
I'm so SICK of posting about this but I feel that I must.


Grinding out tons of hours in front of your computer does not entitle you to "better" gear than everyone else.

PvP is an equal footing game. Yes, a winner can get gear faster but everyone, win or lose has to eventually get to the same gear everyone else has.


A true PvP player wants to be the best on equal footing. A true player doesn't care if they have equal gear.

Better colors, options, designs, titles, credits can be available for the winners but everyone must have access to the gear.
Since when do true pvpers want equal footing? You very rarely see anyone on any pvp game look for a group of equal size to get into battles with, it is always about out numbering the opponent. They always look for someone that is lower level than they are if going 1 on 1. When all levels are equal they make sure they play the fotm class that can either always win or at least escape if they are losing. Even better yet playing a stealth class waiting for someone to be in combat with something that they are struggling with and popping out when you know they don't have a chance at all of defeating you.

Yup true pvpers want equal footing, lolololololololololol!
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RealAeiouy
03.13.2012 , 11:33 AM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by Dego_Locc View Post
They confirmed it was better than BM gear, and that anyone regardless of valor rank could wear it, even someone who just turned 50. They said they would be earned by competing(not winning) in rated warzones.

So from what I would gather from that is ppl can grind to 50, then afk all day for a week or so, maybe less in rated warzones and have a full set of the top teir PVP gear, and have eaten their carrot too early.

Then what?

How many who only PVP will continue paying a subscription to a game where nobody cares about the tiny color carrot, or mount carrot(that you will never use if you all you do is pvp anyway)?

Not many I suspect.
Gear is not a carrot for pvpers. After your mythical week you pvers will get your gear and go back to pve I guess. Win-win.
I put the AssAssIn assassin.

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MPagano
03.13.2012 , 11:35 AM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by RealAeiouy View Post
Gear is not a carrot for pvpers. After your mythical week you pvers will get your gear and go back to pve I guess. Win-win.
This.

The rest of these people like to threaten the pvp community that they will leave if there are no carrots to chase. Promise? I mean, I can't think of a better outcome than parsing the player-base such that people who queue for warzones do so for its own sake.

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UglyStik
03.13.2012 , 11:37 AM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
A true PvP player wants to be the best on equal footing. A true player doesn't care if they have equal gear.
I've been saying that for a long time, and if they keep gear the way it is they have to make warzones cross server and match equal valor ranks together.
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Darth-_-
03.13.2012 , 11:38 AM | #180
ok so to go along with this post if you want equal gear for PvP everyone should start off with rakata gear as soon as they hit 50, would you want that? probably not right if so then what is the point in doing HM's

imo in order to wear the War Hero Gear you should have to be Valor 70/ BM Valor 60/ Champ Valor 50/ Cent Valor 40.

to all of you who want the gear just given to you... go back to WoW and leave the real players alone i like taking the time to grind my valor/HM's it is fun and should stay that way
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