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I think I know what's causing poor FPS for some users (no fix yet)

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I think I know what's causing poor FPS for some users (no fix yet)
 

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Mikeni
03.09.2012 , 07:09 PM | #371
I'd like to throw in that everyone using any kind of SATA should make sure they're running in AHCI mode and not IDE mode in their BIOS.

When my motherboard died last week, I did a reinstall of Windows after getting my refurb just because it had been such a long time since doing so.

By default my CMOS settings have all of my SATA channels set to IDE mode. Unknowingly I installed Windows7 in IDE mode and didn't figure out what was going wrong until recently.

Switching to AHCI from IDE on an install of Windows will cause BSOD's unless you first apply the registry changes listed in this microsoft article.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976

Doing this brought me up from a 5.9 score in WEI to a 6.7 in the Disk speed category.

After investigating anything else that I could improve on, I discovered that a lot of my chipset devices were still on Windows default drivers. I'm using an AMD chipset (790GX) and I had downloaded the most recent 12.2 Chipset drivers from AMD, and all it installed was the USB Filter driver and AHCI drivers.

After asking around on some forums I found out that you pretty much need to manually install these drivers out of the package.

So what I did was run the chipset driver installer and let it extract the files to C:\AMD\Support, once extracted I went through and manually installed the SMBus driver that is found in the packages folder. It went from a 2006 MS driver to a 2010 AMD driver. Instead of being called the ATI I/O Communications Processor SMBus Controller, It is now called the AMD SMBus.

I found out on a hardware forum that I still needed my AMD PCI Express (3GIO) Driver installed. The problem was that the 12.2 set doesn't contain this driver. In fact it hasn't been in a chipset release for a few revisions. It is also a driver from 2010 as it isn't a driver that AMD has to update a lot. So I downloaded each older chipset driver set until I finally found it in the 11.8 set. It identifies it as a Northbridge Filter Driver.

I was able to run the 11.8 setup and choose custom install and install only the Northbridge Filter driver without an issue.

I now have an AMD PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver showing up in my device manager.

My game is now running a ton smoother, I'm not reporting perfect Illum/WZ performance or anything, but players/objects etc all load a little faster without that 1-3 second pause I was sometimes getting.

I still have choppy framerates in heavy load situations, and the way the SWTOR HeroEngine loads assets still puts unnecessary strain on my systems I/O. It's just that now my system is handling it much better than it was before.

I hope this helps anyone who is using an AMD/ATi chipset.
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ichime
03.10.2012 , 01:03 PM | #372
Quote: Originally Posted by thamightyboro View Post
Its entireley possible mate.


I get 70+ on my desktop machine in warzones and a respectable 30+ when a 40 man war waging on Ilum, its a i5 2500k 8gb ram and GTX 480 SOC however due to its location I cant use it at night when kids are in bed so I play on my laptop i7 740QM 460 GTX 8GB Ram and the laptop is a pain in the backside.

45-80 FPS everywhere including huttball and voidstar. i step foot on Ilum or ald warzone and chugga chugga choo choo down to 7 FPS if I am lucky.

The PVE is pants as is all PVE so warzones are the only thing keeping me going and only being able to play 66% of my time without issues is becoming tedious to the point I've been hovering on that unsub button.
Playing with an Asus g73 with pretty much the same specs (i7 740QM, gtx 460M and 8Gb DDR3), and while I know that my hdd is what's slowing me down in most games (5400 rpm ftl...), it's never been anywhere near as bad as in swtor.

Alderaan warzone: once I've "seen" the enemies, fps goes down to 25-30 if I'm alone and not doing anything, and down to 15, or even 10 in a battle with 8+ people.
The funny thing being that I've done this warzone with everything on low (+ the new "very low" setting) and no AA, and I get the exact same fps as with 4x MSAA, high textures, etc...which makes no sense.

As many others, I usually only have problems in warzones, and everywhere where there's a "battle" going on (like npc shooting lasers at other npc).

For some reason, my computer also seems to dislike "nature" worlds. The game runs way better in city worlds than in places like Alderaan, and putting grass/trees at 0% doesn't change anything.
It's not even always a fps drop on those worlds, but simply a stuttering sensation.

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Tkbacon
03.11.2012 , 02:39 AM | #373
I haven't been on this forum in a while as I got kind of sick of looking at this over and over again... BW can you please hurry and fix this?
Not resubscribing until the FPS issues are fixed... I am a part of the 5%.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=317352

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TargetOne
03.11.2012 , 11:20 AM | #374
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikeni View Post
After asking around on some forums I found out that you pretty much need to manually install these drivers out of the package.

So what I did was run the chipset driver installer and let it extract the files to C:\AMD\Support, once extracted I went through and manually installed the SMBus driver that is found in the packages folder. It went from a 2006 MS driver to a 2010 AMD driver. Instead of being called the ATI I/O Communications Processor SMBus Controller, It is now called the AMD SMBus.
I don't think you needed to do anything with the SMBus "driver". Out of curiosity, I looked at the files for the SMBus package, and there's a readme that says all it does is install a "null" driver to satisfy Microsoft Windows OS requirements. In fact, if you go into Device Manager and open the properties for the SMBus, it will say "No drivers are installed for this device." All that "installing" the AMD package does is change the name displayed in Device Manager.

The actual SMBus driver, if there can be said to be a driver, is probably part of the core OS and can't be updated separately.

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Superawesomerman
03.12.2012 , 04:29 PM | #375
Like to report that very low shaders do next to nothing.

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Naethion
03.12.2012 , 05:12 PM | #376
I have the FPS Problems as well. All other games are fine except this one. Its positively baffling. I have tried everything from lowering everything on my computer, to getting rid of my desktop background, to installing performance enhancing programs. I still get 7-12 FPS, and thats only on Korriban or Tython. anywhere else and it drops like a stone so that I cannot even move, this HAS to be a problem thats on their end.
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hochmeisterr
03.12.2012 , 05:19 PM | #377
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JobuNabidabi
03.12.2012 , 05:39 PM | #378
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikeni View Post
I'd like to throw in that everyone using any kind of SATA should make sure they're running in AHCI mode and not IDE mode in their BIOS.

When my motherboard died last week, I did a reinstall of Windows after getting my refurb just because it had been such a long time since doing so.

By default my CMOS settings have all of my SATA channels set to IDE mode. Unknowingly I installed Windows7 in IDE mode and didn't figure out what was going wrong until recently.

Switching to AHCI from IDE on an install of Windows will cause BSOD's unless you first apply the registry changes listed in this microsoft article.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976

Doing this brought me up from a 5.9 score in WEI to a 6.7 in the Disk speed category.

After investigating anything else that I could improve on, I discovered that a lot of my chipset devices were still on Windows default drivers. I'm using an AMD chipset (790GX) and I had downloaded the most recent 12.2 Chipset drivers from AMD, and all it installed was the USB Filter driver and AHCI drivers.

After asking around on some forums I found out that you pretty much need to manually install these drivers out of the package.

So what I did was run the chipset driver installer and let it extract the files to C:\AMD\Support, once extracted I went through and manually installed the SMBus driver that is found in the packages folder. It went from a 2006 MS driver to a 2010 AMD driver. Instead of being called the ATI I/O Communications Processor SMBus Controller, It is now called the AMD SMBus.

I found out on a hardware forum that I still needed my AMD PCI Express (3GIO) Driver installed. The problem was that the 12.2 set doesn't contain this driver. In fact it hasn't been in a chipset release for a few revisions. It is also a driver from 2010 as it isn't a driver that AMD has to update a lot. So I downloaded each older chipset driver set until I finally found it in the 11.8 set. It identifies it as a Northbridge Filter Driver.

I was able to run the 11.8 setup and choose custom install and install only the Northbridge Filter driver without an issue.

I now have an AMD PCI Express (3GIO) Filter Driver showing up in my device manager.

My game is now running a ton smoother, I'm not reporting perfect Illum/WZ performance or anything, but players/objects etc all load a little faster without that 1-3 second pause I was sometimes getting.

I still have choppy framerates in heavy load situations, and the way the SWTOR HeroEngine loads assets still puts unnecessary strain on my systems I/O. It's just that now my system is handling it much better than it was before.

I hope this helps anyone who is using an AMD/ATi chipset.
Great info. My motherboard does this as well. Windows also has a habit of installing AMD RAID drivers instead of AMD AHCI SATA drivers. I can confirm that the chipset and SATA drivers affect disk IO greatly, and they affect the video as well. After updating all my drivers, my AA doesn't work properly (I get big square pixles for my smoke effects). Was fine when I had the box copy SMBus drivers and AMD RAID drivers (by mistake).

The version of the AMD SATA driver makes quite a difference as well. I can't even install the 12 series drivers because my rig will BSOD. With ones that work, you can tell by how snappy the OS is. Certain versions just bog down the entire feel (not just the disk IO).

It is a good idea to remove any legacy devices from modern operating systems. This would include PS2 mouse/keyboard, any IDE device including hard drives and burners, PCI add on cards (not PCIE), and possibly USB1.1. They cause hardware interrupts and the legacy drivers are also a bit flaky with some devices (chatty drivers). Without these, the OS won't even have the drivers active.

I'm personally focused on power supplies at the moment, have a new one arriving tomorrow. I really hope it helps, I will let you guys know.

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tkshinoda
03.13.2012 , 10:19 AM | #379
It's nice to see bioware still ignoring this thread, really makes me feel like giving them money, oh wait

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Naethion
03.15.2012 , 10:52 PM | #380
Quote: Originally Posted by tkshinoda View Post
It's nice to see bioware still ignoring this thread, really makes me feel like giving them money, oh wait
Yeah, it really IS troubling. They must really believe there is nothing wrong with their engine or whatever it is. Why this game? no other game but this one....
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