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BrandonSM
03.12.2012 , 04:58 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Well for one, the movies were made before this game....and two ya hes immortal, but that doesn't mean he can't die.
And it doesn't make him the most powerful.


Just like Olympic Gods, being Immortal doesn't make you the most powerful.


Mace, Exar Kun, Sidious, Vader would wipe the floor with him.


Luke is the strongest, thats canon. Siidoius is the strongest Sith ever.
Hapan: "This creature has information that could lead us to a woman who has been kidnapped. We will get that information."
Luke: "This woman is a citizen of the New Republic, and if you do not take your hands off her, I will take your hands off you."

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BrandonSM
03.12.2012 , 05:00 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by ErikModi View Post
Yes, and yet a 24 year old, half-trained "padawan" brought down Vader and the Emperor.

Power isn't what it's all about. Power is the LEAST of what it's all about.
Thats a huge exaggeration.
Hapan: "This creature has information that could lead us to a woman who has been kidnapped. We will get that information."
Luke: "This woman is a citizen of the New Republic, and if you do not take your hands off her, I will take your hands off you."

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ErikModi
03.12.2012 , 07:51 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by BrandonSM View Post
Thats a huge exaggeration.
Not really.
Jedi vs. Sith, Page 97, column 2, paragraph 4, line 1:

Prior to the Battle of Ruusan, the Jedi used crystals from many different sources, and ignited lightsabers in every known hue, including purple, orange, and gold.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.12.2012 , 08:27 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by ErikModi View Post
Not really.
So what makes you think Luke was still a jedi in training by ROTJ? The books of the movies and between said movies, all point to Luke completing his training by ROTJ.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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ErikModi
03.12.2012 , 10:15 PM | #35
Yoda said so.

That, and post RotJ EU makes a big deal of that fact that Luke didn't know anywhere close to everything that a Jedi of the Old Republic should. There were a lot of things Obi-Wan and Yoda simply didn't teach him, because they didn't have time. He figured out a lot as he went a long, from the few sources Palpatine hadn't eradicated, but by the metric of the old Jedi, he probably wouldn't have even qualified for his Trials.

Which was entirely the point. Vader and the Emperor represented a new kind of Sith, and the Jedi had all been retraining to fight the OLD Sith. The new Sith needed a new Jedi. That was Luke.

But again, all this is academic. Star Wars is not DragonBall Z, there are no power levels, no chain of awesome that determines easily who can beat who. Trying to think of it in those terms is to rob yourself of a great deal of the depth of the Star Wars experience.
Jedi vs. Sith, Page 97, column 2, paragraph 4, line 1:

Prior to the Battle of Ruusan, the Jedi used crystals from many different sources, and ignited lightsabers in every known hue, including purple, orange, and gold.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.12.2012 , 10:33 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by ErikModi View Post
Yoda said so.

That, and post RotJ EU makes a big deal of that fact that Luke didn't know anywhere close to everything that a Jedi of the Old Republic should. There were a lot of things Obi-Wan and Yoda simply didn't teach him, because they didn't have time. He figured out a lot as he went a long, from the few sources Palpatine hadn't eradicated, but by the metric of the old Jedi, he probably wouldn't have even qualified for his Trials.

Which was entirely the point. Vader and the Emperor represented a new kind of Sith, and the Jedi had all been retraining to fight the OLD Sith. The new Sith needed a new Jedi. That was Luke.

But again, all this is academic. Star Wars is not DragonBall Z, there are no power levels, no chain of awesome that determines easily who can beat who. Trying to think of it in those terms is to rob yourself of a great deal of the depth of the Star Wars experience.
When did Yoda say that Luke's training was incomplete? All I heard him say was.

Yoda: "No more training do you require, already know you that which you need."

Luke: "Then I am a jedi"

Yoda: Oh..(chuckles cough) not yet...one thing remains. Vader...you must confront Vader, then only then a jedi will you be."

All Yoda talked about was Luke confronting Vader, thats NOT training at all thats just him confronting his father.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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Kythrae
03.12.2012 , 10:55 PM | #37
I think Yoda and Obi-Wan took an old approach to training Luke. The basics hardly change in reaching the Force and learning how to manipulate it. In KOTOR and TOR we are seeing a lot of denial about the nature of the Force. Example is that only one side is acceptable to use, the other exists but NEVER cross over to it, does not matter if you are Sith or Jedi, applies to both.

Revan was not retrained so much as re-educated and slowly regaining his identity in his conflict with Malak and the Star Forge. The major benefit no one expected was that his second life did not lead to a fall but a balance the Jedi did not seem comfortable with. The Exile also was unacceptable as the way she used the Force was considered "dark."

The Jedi of TOR are the basis of later generations of Jedi but they are NOT the original way the Jedi came to be. Before the Schism, the Jedi learned of the Force and experimented with it. They learned that anger and hatred had drastic results in both the Force and its users and attempted to keep students from relying on it. We of course know that did not go as planned as there are always those impatient or wish to rely on something easy to grasp like anger.

Yoda and Obi-Wan were in a real sense renegades of the Jedi order in that they accepted combat and a more gray look at life than others. They did not oppose the rules overall but in many situations they acted with their own code and bravery over what the Order would recommend.

I have no doubt the years after the Galactic Empire birthed both Jedi looked long and hard at where they failed to see Vader and the Emperor. Rather than solely blame Anakin and the Sith for their woes I think they saw the flaws in the modern Jedi. With Luke they were guides, not absolutes. They warned of the dark side but did not discourage his learning of it through mistakes.

Risky perhaps but the results speak for themselves. A balanced Jedi (or Sith) will be more powerful than either Pure LS/DS version. Luke is a new breed of Jedi but the battle for balance is not easy, never will be. And so it goes on....

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TheLonelyTusken
03.13.2012 , 12:52 AM | #38
Well for the whole of the movies, Sidious is the greatest force user currently active, Yoda probably being the most powerful Jedi force user in the movies.

But after episode 6, Luke transcends to that point, because he had the same potential that Anakin never reached.

So, if your asking about power from the whole perspective, it would be Luke>Sidious>Yoda.
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