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So I rolled a Sorc...

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So I rolled a Sorc...

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Tsubodia
03.12.2012 , 02:55 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by hulkweazel View Post
Level 14 Sorc utility > level 50 Op utility. How is this so difficult for you to understand? If at level 14 a Sorc has more utility than a level 50 Op, the Sorc doesn't all of a sudden lose that utility at later levels.

Stop using logical fallacies and then insulting others for listening to your logical fallacies.

if your claiming a lvl 14 sorcs has more utility than a 50 op you clearly cant play an OP. simple fact right there. Cry fallacy all you want but at lvl14 a sorcs utility is terrible. You cant even reach the utility talents in the tree until level 21. at 14 you cant reach imp barrier, reduced knockback, wrath, spamable fl, you have limited healing which results in a huge force munch and wont even have enough points in dark infusion to make it useful.

i suggest you go and learn to play your OP properly and claiming fallacies when what you post is nothing but garbage.

your response also proves my initial point from my first post

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ExpectWar
03.12.2012 , 02:55 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by anticept View Post
Forcecharge/obliterate - forceshoke/crush-SMASH.. sorry did you count moving too... ye i know itīs simplified but still itīs a faceroller spec but glad youīre enjoying it.
try that and see how far you get lmao
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Delavager
03.12.2012 , 02:56 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by hulkweazel View Post
Wait, so if I'm dominating at level 14, I'll stop dominating at later levels? This makes no sense.
It's because while you don't get much better, other classes get much much better as you level up. At level 14 you are near your peak power, where as others are not. At level 45, you are at the same power, where other classes have gain dramatically more power.

It's all relative.
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iceperson
03.12.2012 , 02:58 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by hulkweazel View Post
So instead of giving me reasons now you're resorting to name calling? Wonderful.

I do fine on my Op. I pick off bad players (Players like you that just stand in one place) and there are enough bad players to go around. Difference is, Sorc is a complete faceroll. I'm half asleep and dominate opponents.

This is something you're not grasping - how easy it is on a Sorc. Try playing a different class. You might actually have to work for your kills.
my jugg (lvl 50, not 14) destroys people in warzones. then again, i don't charge in and leave the other 7 people on my team behind like an idiot and then complain when i get 8v1d on the forum that melee is so bad and ranged is soooo OP...

oh, and where in the post you quoted did I call you names?

i look forward to hearing from you after you've reached rank 50 or so on that sorc.

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Dzhokhar
03.12.2012 , 03:00 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Delavager View Post
It's because while you don't get much better, other classes get much much better as you level up. At level 14 you are near your peak power, where as others are not. At level 45, you are at the same power, where other classes have gain dramatically more power.

It's all relative.
Except that at 14 he's playing in a bracket with people all the way up to lvl 49.

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zizzefex
03.12.2012 , 03:00 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Szarala View Post
I know this is a troll thread, but I'll reply to it seriously.

Sorc/sage is probably the easiest/most effective pvp class at low-mid levels. This is mostly due to them getting the bulk of their utility abilities a lot earlier than other classes. The base class (before talents) is also probably more flexible than most other classes, meaning they are able to synergize with a variety of comps and fill different roles in a pinch.

Once other classes start catching up with their utilities towards the endgame, the differences rapidly diminish. Operative/Scoundrel tears through sorc/sage like they're not even there and anyone else can curtail their group utility just by sticking on them 1v1.
This is 100% completely false. If you die fast as a Sorc you are bad. If you are properly specced where your bubble blinds the Op/Scoundrel.... you can drag that 1v1 out a good 30 seconds especially if there's a pillar involved.

I am full BM Scoundrel (with all power/surge, power relic/adrenal, BiS gear)... and while I have 3 shot a full BM Sorc/Sage when their shield is down (with 5k+ Shoot Firsts)..... IF YOUR SHIELD IS UP YOU WILL NOT DIE. The only thing opening up on a good Sorc/Sage does to me is I get blinded right away and then proceed to eat a CC chain. I will win eventually but it is NOT QUICK and god forbid anyone else is nearby with ANY STRAY CC... then you can forget about it.

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crunchybacon
03.12.2012 , 03:02 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by hulkweazel View Post
Just to see what it's like on the other side. What happens? Ridiculous amounts of damage and healing, very few deaths if any. I honestly don't see how this class is balanced. Our main attack is a 30m range snare that deals decent damage, and our "low" survivability is overcome with extremely short cooldowns on bubble, Overload and Force Speed. If I were actually paying attention, my party will almost never die because of bubble + heal. Besides that, these are all basic Sorc skills learned extremely early on.

I have a level 50 PT and level 50 Op. I wanted to see what playing a Sorc was like just because so many Sorcs proclaim it's just everyone else that's bad and they should try rolling one to see how crappy they were. Well, I rolled one, I'm still trying to find out where the class's weaknesses are.
Huh, are you kidding me?

I have a level 50 Pyro PT (BM and Champ gear) and have few issues with sorcs. Good ones will give me a tough fight, but it's hilarious how fast I absolutely destroy bad/under-geared sorcs.

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Tsubodia
03.12.2012 , 03:03 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by zizzefex View Post
This is 100% completely false. If you die fast as a Sorc you are bad. If you are properly specced where your bubble blinds the Op/Scoundrel.... you can drag that 1v1 out a good 30 seconds especially if there's a pillar involved.

I am full BM Scoundrel (with all power/surge, power relic/adrenal, BiS gear)... and while I have 3 shot a full BM Sorc/Sage when their shield is down (with 5k+ Shoot Firsts)..... IF YOUR SHIELD IS UP YOU WILL NOT DIE. The only thing opening up on a good Sorc/Sage does to me is I get blinded right away and then proceed to eat a CC chain. I will win eventually but it is NOT QUICK and god forbid anyone else is nearby with ANY STRAY CC... then you can forget about it.
thats all fine an all but a good op/scoundrel would never open on a sage/sorc with bubble up for that reason. let someone else break it. also not all sorcs/sages take a full cc spec. depending on your role in your premade you will see a lot of what may seem odd builds.

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zizzefex
03.12.2012 , 03:09 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Bbizzle View Post
If its a DPS sorc. If you force them away from nuking your team to LOS and heal themselves. He isnt nuking your team. Or if its a healer, if he is healing himself, he isnt healing his group. Forcing someone into LOS, killing them or not is taking them out of the fight.

I have a sage, I have a blast on it. I think its easy to play DPS. But If im not allowed to free cast and have people on me the whole game, I can live a long time sure, but am I doing anything productive or helping my group? No, Im being forced into being selfish.
If any class gets away... and can heal themselves back to full in under 10 seconds (most classes can... even my Scoundrel).... and can get back into the fight while your teammates who probably just died have to run all the way back or get stuck behind doors.... YOU ARE LOSING. Baddie detector strike one.

If you think people are just allowing you to freecast.... YOU ARE TERRIBLE. What... do you think they are just standing there letting you hit them. No they are attacking someone else... or your sitting in a huge pack of other ranged... or something else is happening. Baddie detector strike two.

You are not being forced into being selfish... staying alive is the number 1 thing you can do in this game to win your objectives. IF YOU DO NOT THINK THIS YOU ARE TERRIBLE. Baddie detector strike three.

DO NOT post again on any forum. For the good of us all.

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hulkweazel
03.12.2012 , 03:10 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsubodia View Post
if your claiming a lvl 14 sorcs has more utility than a 50 op you clearly cant play an OP. simple fact right there. Cry fallacy all you want but at lvl14 a sorcs utility is terrible. You cant even reach the utility talents in the tree until level 21. at 14 you cant reach imp barrier, reduced knockback, wrath, spamable fl, you have limited healing which results in a huge force munch and wont even have enough points in dark infusion to make it useful.

i suggest you go and learn to play your OP properly and claiming fallacies when what you post is nothing but garbage.

your response also proves my initial point from my first post
...have you actually taken a look at the utility an Op provides? Or played one, for that matter? Clearly you haven't.