Please don't trivialize PVP gear in 1.2

So what will be the point of valor ranks? .. just a silly title?

Cosmetic differences in gear. They've said as much.

PVE'ers who whined in the first place about PVP gear being too hard to get and making BM out to be some huge stat gap from champion are simply bad players, blaming gear for the reason they die so much.

Minor stuff, as far as I can tell. Couple of mounts, appearance differences in gear.

Nothing worth paying a subscription every month if all you do is PVP.

i would disagree.

pvp'er = person that 'does' pvp, nothing more nothing less.

to say that pvp'ers love to pvp and just want to pvp, is like saying that someone driving a car is necessarily loving it and does only want to do that.

being a pvper tells nothing about the person's motivation to pvp.
and i am pretty sure that for a lot of people this 'motivation' is gear improvement and not the 'awesome' feeling of beeing again qued up for huttball...

yup, it was said at the Guild Summit that Valor lvl will not longer be required to equip higher tiers of PVP gear, it will be effect accessto 'title', 'prestige' and 'appearance' and a few PVP 'perks' (like being leader of a WZ? they were very vague on how this would work)

This is what i am asking to not happen. I agree that a 'fresh 50' should have some access to entry lvl PVP gear so they dont get stomped in rated WZ's, but at the same time going them access to BIS PVP gear by just doing rated WZ's and not puting forth the effort like a majority of the dedicated PVP players will do just dilutes and devalues PVP gear as a whole.

As i said in my original post

Until we really know how the system will work, this is all just speculation, i really do hope there is a system in place that rewards those who try do their best in rated WZ's quicker access to the War Hero gear. Many of us are afraid (points that have been brought up across many post) anyone who 1/2 *****'es a rated WZ will have equal access to this Tier off PVP gear, Which my self and many other dedicated PVPer's do not feel is fair to us.

Friend of mine just got Rank 80 Conqueror title. He doesnt have any alts, just full on pvp guy.

Seems slightly unfair to me if a fresh lvl 50 at rank 10 can get the same armor as him.

that's my opinion anyway.

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/owell

Generally speaking the problem with gear is that those who have it, are allowed to PVP with those that do not. You want the better gear, you want the better rank, you want something to show for your efforts... and yet, you still want to be allowed to pop into any old PVP skirmish you'd like at will. Fundamentally that is what is wrong with the gearing system as a whole. You can establish a separate arena for those that are more skilled/geared, but so long as you allow them to PVP with those that have none of this gear, you will always have an outcry about gear imbalance. Plain and simple, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You either give everyone the same gear, or your separate those with the better gear from those with the lesser gear. In the end, they refuse to do that, so the problem persists forever, and will persist forever.

Being at the top with only 2 people to PVP against is no fun. Being at the bottom with thousands of players that out gear you is no fun either. It's a game. It's supposed to be fun. But they go out of their way to design it in such a way as to guarantee that it is unfun. Dump arenas and battlegrounds and let PVP happen out in the real world. No special gear to be earned... it's just plain old, kill or be killed. But players that don't get anything for killing another player just won't bother to do it. It's always about gear... nothing but the gear.