"Advanced Classes = Fundamentally Different Class Designs"

Cool your jets. I misread your post. It was an accident.

If comments like mine get you this hot and bothered, maybe you need to take a forum time out.

So what you agree with my suggestion now that you actually read it?

Why? The person had both acs to 50 at some point, legacy achievement done, feature unlocked. Why making them waste a char slot, they wasted enough time leveling a second 50 to access the ac swapping feature for their main char.

I don't mind keeping the second 50, as i don't plan to have 8 active 50s on the same server, but what difference would it make if i deleted it really? I would only just use my first char and swap ac with it, why should i be forced to keep the second char too if i don't want it? Sounds like a useless rule to me.. I'm just curious, why should features in your opnion be as annoying as possible for the players for no reason whatsoever? It's like asians wanting their mmos to be as painful as possible with ridiculous senseless penalties, insane farming, little rewards for huge timesinks... ever considered going to play one of those? I sense it might be your true calling.

Because being able to switch is derived from having both. If one goes away, the ability to switch should as well. Also because it would be a cheap workaround to having AC changing. I don't have a problem with it so long as you have both characters.


Class restrictions aren't senseless penalties. If you want a game you can do and be everything in, there are a number of single player games I can recommend. I'm playing Kingdoms of Amalur right now and you can literally do everything by visiting a fateweaver in that game. Go play that.

Really? It was massive, multiplayer, a game, and you played a role. What about the definition doesn't apply?

So spamming lightning and spamming heals are the same? Hell for that matter all healing is the same? No super single-target heals for one class, super area heals for another, and buffed HoTs for the third? Would that be too hard to balance? Instead all 3 healers play the same? Honestly asking as I haven't leveled all 3.

I still don't see how advanced spec changing breaks the game but Chiss Troopers with Force Choke won't. Again, if you don't like it don't use it-if people feel an advanced spec is broken to the point of switching it then that tells Bioware what they need to fix.

So they failed on 1/4 of the classes then? 75% is only a C according to most grade scales I've seen-hell it might only be a D.

If a player had both acs at 50 at any given time, why should he be required to keep both characters in order to switch? He wasted the time to level both acs to 50, which according to several of your replies in this very thread is what's important for the game's "longevity", he unlocked the feature, there's no need for him to keep both. He's never using one of those characters anyway. If he wants to delete one it's his choice. What difference does it make except wasting a slot?

None. It wouldn't really affect the gameplay in any way.

Would you sleep better at night knowing people are forced to keep a character they never use? What difference does it make to you, i mean, really?

Because it wasn't an MMO. Separating the terms to define something results in an inaccurate definition. Football is massive, multiplayer, a game and you play a role (in that game its called a "position"). Does that make it an MMO? No.

When you get very, very detailed, the differences seem more significant than they are. I'm talking about the difference between a melee/stealth class and a ranged DPS. An assassin plays very differently from a sorcerer. In SWTOR, the game is designed with this intent, regardless of how WoW chose to develop their game.

You're putting words into my mouth. I never said anything about Chiss troopers. I think its asinine that Bioware is giving a race that is clearly dedicated to the Empire to the Republic just as a "perk" to keep grinding beyond level 50. I also don't like the Heroic Moment skill sharing thing either. If a Trooper is born with no Force sensitivity, how could he use Force lightning just because his half-brother Assassin can? It makes no sense. Its blindly throwing darts at a board for ideas and saying "yup, put it in the game - anything to keep people playing."

Come to think of it, I find it odd that they would implement that before AC switching.

Kinda dumb.

Not sure how this is relevant.

By virtue of having two characters at 50 you can change ACs. I don't really see the point of allowing it in that situation since its purely used as a work around to having dual AC.

Level a Sage to 50.
Level a Shadow to 50.
Unlock AC switching.
Delete Shadow.
Switch AC with Sage at your leisure.

You're basically offering to level a character for a few weeks in exchange for the right to change the AC of your main when you get there. Why do you need to be able to do that if you have both ACs at 50?

Thanks for helping me work that out. I now realize I don't agree with it!

And this happens now with respecs, and will be worse when dual spec is added. I assume you feel that talent points should be locked in so players learn how to heal from 10-50?

Because i prefer to focus and use only one character and don't want to play two, that's why.

And since your main reason for not wanting ac switching throughout these months has been that according to you "people having to roll different chars to play the different ac offers more replay value than simply switching" i said wahtever ok, even if i think it's dumb as hell, i'll level the other ac and enjoy the "fabulous" fake replay value, then i can go back to my main and just use that and switch as i please, what's the problem with this? I can't possibly see ANY valid gameplay/mechanic problem really.