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ErikModi
03.11.2012 , 11:52 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Which Yoda had, he had 900 years worth of knowledge and was a swordmaster. Its been stated in the ROTS novelization(think that it was that book), that Yoda was the most powerful jedi during that time but not even he could beat Sidious.
Yes, and yet a 24 year old, half-trained "padawan" brought down Vader and the Emperor.

Power isn't what it's all about. Power is the LEAST of what it's all about.
Jedi vs. Sith, Page 97, column 2, paragraph 4, line 1:

Prior to the Battle of Ruusan, the Jedi used crystals from many different sources, and ignited lightsabers in every known hue, including purple, orange, and gold.

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Txdeerhunter
03.12.2012 , 12:49 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by maninuniform View Post
what ever happened to the sith emporer? wasnt he supposed to be immortal from absorbing an nentire planet? where the hell was he during episodes 1-6?
Immortallity is simply infinite longevity, not invulnerability. An immortal can be killed, but cannot die from old age. depending on the definition you choose to follow. Like the Elves in Lord of the Rings.

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Txdeerhunter
03.12.2012 , 12:58 AM | #13
The biggest problem is that few have ever had the self-discipline to walk the thin line between the dark and light. If the Force encompasses both ends of the spectrum then the most powerful must be able to maintain his morality while accessing the dark powers of the Force. Unfortunately I know of no one who has been able to walk that path consistently throughout their lives. The Force itself has manifested itself in Jacen Solo at one time because he found that perfect balance, but it also doomed him to the dark side because he began to think that he was above good and evil. the whole thing is an impossible riddle unless you consider the cycle of power. First the dark side rises then the light triumphs but the dark rises again. It never ends because no one has that balance.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.12.2012 , 09:41 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by ErikModi View Post
Yes, and yet a 24 year old, half-trained "padawan" brought down Vader and the Emperor.

Power isn't what it's all about. Power is the LEAST of what it's all about.
Ya Luke wasn't a padawan, he was a jedi knight in ROTJ. I never did say power did I? No, what I said is that Yoda before Luke was the most powerful jedi then Luke was. Or best jedi, since you think I am just talking about power.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.

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Captain_Zone
03.12.2012 , 10:23 AM | #15
Master swordsmen throughout history have lost to amateurs, since the amateur hasn't learned what's supposed to be possible or impossible. They just attack, block instinctively, and use their wits since they haven't been fully trained. Luke wasn't nearly fully trained when he fought Vader either time. Yet still held his own (Mostly due to the fact that Vader didn't want to kill him.)

Palpatine was technically an amateur compared to Yoda as well. Yoda, with over 800 years of sword mastery under his belt, got beat by Palpatine. How? Was Palpatine THAT much stronger in the Force than Yoda???? Or did he use his wits to counter everything the wily little Master could throw at him?

On a side note, STILL love the look on Yoda's face when he started that platform spinning before tossing it at Palpatine in Episode III. The look that said "You're goin' down, boy!"
. OPOD
Shivalka: Darth Baras is quite large, isn't he?
Joran Karn: You, my dear Sith, have just mastered the art of understatement.

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ErikModi
03.12.2012 , 10:35 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Ya Luke wasn't a padawan, he was a jedi knight in ROTJ. I never did say power did I? No, what I said is that Yoda before Luke was the most powerful jedi then Luke was. Or best jedi, since you think I am just talking about power.
Luke: So I am a Jedi

Yoda: (laughing) No. One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be.
Jedi vs. Sith, Page 97, column 2, paragraph 4, line 1:

Prior to the Battle of Ruusan, the Jedi used crystals from many different sources, and ignited lightsabers in every known hue, including purple, orange, and gold.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.12.2012 , 10:35 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
Master swordsmen throughout history have lost to amateurs, since the amateur hasn't learned what's supposed to be possible or impossible. They just attack, block instinctively, and use their wits since they haven't been fully trained. Luke wasn't nearly fully trained when he fought Vader either time. Yet still held his own (Mostly due to the fact that Vader didn't want to kill him.)

Palpatine was technically an amateur compared to Yoda as well. Yoda, with over 800 years of sword mastery under his belt, got beat by Palpatine. How? Was Palpatine THAT much stronger in the Force than Yoda???? Or did he use his wits to counter everything the wily little Master could throw at him?

On a side note, STILL love the look on Yoda's face when he started that platform spinning before tossing it at Palpatine in Episode III. The look that said "You're goin' down, boy!"
Luke was a fully trained jedi knight in ROTJ, ya ok he didn't have the order teaching him he was mostly self taught. But he was trained.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.

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Captain_Zone
03.12.2012 , 10:48 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Luke was a fully trained jedi knight in ROTJ, ya ok he didn't have the order teaching him he was mostly self taught. But he was trained.
Luke was trained, yes. Fully trained is a matter of debate. Yoda and Obi-Wan didn't have near the time it would take to fully train him. Self taught? He would have to do some major communing with the Force and then get Lightsaber techniques downloaded into his brain, imo. At least it wasn't Keanu Reeves saying "Dude, I know Shii-Cho! Most Excellent!" Although, tbh the originals COULD have had better swordfights. That was the one thing the prequels pwned the OT on.
. OPOD
Shivalka: Darth Baras is quite large, isn't he?
Joran Karn: You, my dear Sith, have just mastered the art of understatement.

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Traugar
03.12.2012 , 10:55 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by maninuniform View Post
what ever happened to the sith emporer? wasnt he supposed to be immortal from absorbing an nentire planet? where the hell was he during episodes 1-6?
Immortal just means you don't die from natural causes. Look at the Highlander series. They were immortal, but they could still die.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.12.2012 , 11:08 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by ErikModi View Post
Luke: So I am a Jedi

Yoda: (laughing) No. One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be.
Ya...but as far as his training goes, he was a jedi knight and he did confront Vader so yes he was a jedi knight.

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Luke was trained, yes. Fully trained is a matter of debate. Yoda and Obi-Wan didn't have near the time it would take to fully train him. Self taught? He would have to do some major communing with the Force and then get Lightsaber techniques downloaded into his brain, imo. At least it wasn't Keanu Reeves saying "Dude, I know Shii-Cho! Most Excellent!" Although, tbh the originals COULD have had better swordfights. That was the one thing the prequels pwned the OT on.
No he was fully trained, the novelizations of the movies and between the movies go into far more detail of Luke's training. You can only shove so much into a movie, books you can do whatever you want without any limits.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.