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Wolfeisberg
03.11.2012 , 10:36 AM | #471
Quote: Originally Posted by Vankris View Post
that reminds me my nephew telling me that console gamepad is by far and without argument, the absolute best, most efficient controller for FPS game, far better than mouse and keyboard will ever be.

Surely you agree with him right? What would you tell him to convince him that you have way more reactivity and accuracy with a mouse than with an analog stick?

I you find a way to convince my nephew of this, then you can convince MMO player that keybinding is far more efficient than clicking for abilities.
again, speaking for PvE only, since I despise PvP in anything ( I don't even like team sports like soccer, football ect, hehe). Anyways, if it wasn't for the 1.5 second cool down you would have a point, but there is, which is why being a clicker is just as viable as being a key binder.
Also, to those speaking about being a keyboard turner, granted there are people who do that, but being a clicker doesn't mean that one is being a keyboard turner, I'm a clicker, but I don't keyboard turn, I mouse turn.

Also, yes a mouse keyboard is better for FPS. But at the same time there are genres that are better with a gamepad over a mouse keyboard. Now with this MMO, if there was no GCD, then keybinding would be better hands down, but because there is a GCD, the difference is next to nill between 2 equally skilled people with their chosen controls.

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Synacus
03.11.2012 , 10:40 AM | #472
I would say Keybinds are dead now too aswell as clickers.Naga mouse is the best way to play any MMO no keybinder can keep up with me......he is moving his fingers to this key to that keyy all I have to do is move my thumb.....and I can do everything they can do but waaaaaaaaaaaaay faster.

Naga >>>>>>>>>>>>Keybinder>>>clicker is how it is nowadays.

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Excid
03.11.2012 , 10:41 AM | #473
Wow... people really are defending clicking? I personally pick on people I see keyboard turning. It is def less efficient. "My wife is the best healer and she clicks!" Is she looking over your shoulder as you type it? Sure she can sit still and heal. Then again, the content currently a joke and doesnt punish bad players.

Am I elitist? Yeah, pretty much. It is a fact that clicking is less efficient than mouse turning and it annoys me that people will argue otherwise.

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Katsushika
03.11.2012 , 10:44 AM | #474
I play a mixture of clicking and binds, this game is the 1st MMO ive come across this though, before this game was released i was a pure binder, playing at a high level.

The problem is this game is very very forgiving and with the long GDC/cast time on ranged you will never fail to make your rotation. The game's mechanics are very very simple and rotations are not complex in the slightest. I play as a IA-Sniper and it has to be the most laziest game play and rotation ive ever seen. Games like Rift where you had a huge amount of casts and ability's NEEDED binds no other way around it, ToR doesn't have half as much complexity.

ToR is a clickers paradise due to the game being so casual, unless its a major overhaul of mechanics is just gonna get worse.
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Pregzuel
03.11.2012 , 10:47 AM | #475
Quote: Originally Posted by Katsushika View Post
I play a mixture of clicking and binds, this game is the 1st MMO ive come across this though, before this game was released i was a pure binder, playing at a high level.

The problem is this game is very very forgiving and with the long GDC/cast time on ranged you will never fail to make your rotation. The game's mechanics are very very simple and rotations are not complex in the slightest. I play as a IA-Sniper and it has to be the most laziest game play and rotation ive ever seen. Games like Rift where you had a huge amount of casts and ability's NEEDED binds no other way around it, ToR doesn't have half as much complexity.

ToR is a clickers paradise due to the game being so casual, unless its a major overhaul of mechanics is just gonna get worse.
Ill agree with that.. this game is very forgiving and is very very simple.

Its a shame its not like RIFT or WOW

would really show the masses what a real binder can do.
most of the people playing SWOTR is there first MMO
so they dont even know what AOE Aggro or DPS stands for lol

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Wolfeisberg
03.11.2012 , 10:50 AM | #476
Quote: Originally Posted by Pregzuel View Post
Ill agree with that.. this game is very forgiving and is very very simple.

Its a shame its not like RIFT or WOW

would really show the masses what a real binder can do.
most of the people playing SWOTR is there first MMO
so they dont even know what AOE Aggro or DPS stands for lol
Meh, I was the main tank for a highly competitive raiding guild when I played WoW from Vanilla through Burning Crusade, and I am a clicker. Being a clicker was just as viable in WoW as it is in this game.

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Pregzuel
03.11.2012 , 10:52 AM | #477
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfeisberg View Post
Meh, I was the main tank for a highly competitive raiding guild when I played WoW from Vanilla through Burning Crusade, and I am a clicker. Being a clicker was just as viable in WoW as it is in this game.
i doubt you was a keyboard turner.


And tanking is not that hard.

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Frozenshiva
03.11.2012 , 10:54 AM | #478
Quote: Originally Posted by Pregzuel View Post
Could say teh same thing about you?

Are you in a top raiding guild?

are in the top 10 damage or healing of your class in the world?

No.. oh wow then dont really want to hear you opinions

ALl the TOP guilds in the world!
if you talk to any of them they will LAUGH at your face if you call yourself a clicker
or a keyboard turner

Simple as that

numbers dont lie

but have fun with ya angry birds style of play GG and burn in fire when you keyboard turn to run out of it lol
You are ignorant beyond belief. ALL the TOP guilds in the world?
Do tell. You talked to all of them I'm guessing, and they personally told you that eh?
Like i said before, it's a personal preference. You can be in the top as a clicker, but it takes practice, lots of it. Just like it takes lot's of practice to be one of the best binders.
The only difference is, as a clicker the learning curve to that top is a little more difficult.

Here's some info on the clicker in my guild. Due to privacy i won't give up the name of the person. All i'm saying is, he's on Neptulon EU and he's a DPS warrior.

no 4. on Halfus HC 25
no 24 on Nefarian HC 25
no 26 on Argaloth 25
no 46 on twilight council 25
no 82 on Rhyolith 25

and a few others in the 100s range. And these are the old parses he had back when the content was still new. (once we beat normal we moved on to HC)
Some of these statistics might actually be worse now than they were back then.
I had a few parses on those fights as well, but due to the way World of Logs records the data, your top parses can be "dethroned" by newer players running the old content with better gear.
Aside from him, my guild has several other top parsers.
No the best players don't care about clickers or binders.

THEY CARE ABOUT RESULTS!

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terminova
03.11.2012 , 11:00 AM | #479
Quote: Originally Posted by Synacus View Post
I would say Keybinds are dead now too aswell as clickers.Naga mouse is the best way to play any MMO no keybinder can keep up with me......he is moving his fingers to this key to that keyy all I have to do is move my thumb.....and I can do everything they can do but waaaaaaaaaaaaay faster.

Naga >>>>>>>>>>>>Keybinder>>>clicker is how it is nowadays.
That's still keybinding.
Quote: Originally Posted by Toxen View Post
I support...wait, which thread is this? Sorry, I'm following a lot of flame wars at the moment. Uh, oh yeah, clicking!

I support clicking!

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Mal-Sharran
03.11.2012 , 11:03 AM | #480
PvE content can be clicked in every game I personally have played (WoW, STO, TOR, AoC, LOTRO). PvP cannot. The end.
I'd say 'IMHO', but it would be a lie. I'm not humble, and everything I say is stone cold fact.