Why people who are high rated should get better gear: Everyone will be happy!

Disagree, also what if you don't enjoy those games, or have played them to death (I played tons of CS back in the day). Those games all require different skills I would say CS is less button intensive and much more about awareness than this game, SC2 is the most intense in the number of things you have to think about and actions to perform to be good. Chess is almost totally based on strategy and wits, Street Fighter 4 a lot of it is knowledge and timing more than anything.

So all those games are different and require different skills and knowledge I wouldn't take away too much from this game, which requires teamwork (like CS) but also good class combinations and awareness as well as using your abilities and terrain to your advantage.

In pve, you get your gear from facing appropriate levelled mobs. In blues, you face FP mobs, in purples you're into operations, in early ops gear you face HM, then onto NM.

In pvp- the people who got their gear first did so facing level 15s, so it was like a level 50 getting NM mode gear by beating black talon. Then, eventually, it got harder- and for those somewhat geared when 50 WZ came out, it was like being in columni gear getting your rakata gear while beating normal mode flashpoints.

For the new player though, at the moment, it's like trying to get rakata gear by facing nightmare mode... while in normal mode flashpoint gear. I dunno NM ops, maybe that's possible- but I don't consider the people who got rakata beating black talon to be better players than those who did it facing nightmare mode.



Gear disparity only benefits those who play most and get there first. Regardless, skill based pvp is more fun. If you want gear based- WoW's over there along with 10000 other mmos.

This. Preach on, brother.

Seconded.

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Agreed. Kudos to BW for changing the system for their PvP to what is the best. IE: Moddable equipment for vanity, prestige and bragging rights (along with titles and other "LOOK AT ME" awards). That is all true pvpers should need as a reward. A trophy. A trophy doesn't give you an advantage when playing your sport, it's just there to show off and say "Yeah, I'm ******".

Completely agree, but on ONE condition that any new flashpoint or Operation loot also be "Vanity", and "Presitige" because that's what true PvE-ers should need as a reward! A trophy. A Trophy doesn't give you an advantage when playing your game over new guys, its just show off, as it should be!

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Flawed. NPC's don't leave the game because they are being killed too easily and can't even hurt their opponents, while new subscribers do.

Conversely an equally numerous and vocal portion of us "hardcore" PvPers has categorically denied the need for a gear grind in PvP, and pointed at Guild Wars 2 as a testimony to this fact.

Gear progression is nice, don't get me wrong. However the lower the gap between entry level players and the top tier of PvPers, the better for the health of the PvP in general. World of Warcraft categorically failed to stimulate competitive PvP because the gap between the upper and lower classes was artificially created with gear. They then attempted to resolve this with Arena Tournament server, but again limited the amount of players involved by asking them for cash to participate.

What Bioware are doing in 1.2 is a great idea as it narrows the gap between the upper and lower classes, stimulating competitiveness and (hopefully) setting up the game to grow to a truly competitive PvP affair, something that has been sorely missing from MMOs of late.