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Qonor
03.09.2012 , 02:37 PM | #381
Quote: Originally Posted by AdamLKvist View Post
Everyone who clicks because you have 0% chance to turn your character/strafe whilst clicking abilities.
While I will agree that keybinding is better, clickers can move with WADS and strafe with QE while clicking. So, 0% is incorrect unless my keyboard is special.
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Sparklehorse
03.09.2012 , 02:38 PM | #382
Quote: Originally Posted by tmadpoet View Post
I am usually a clicker in PvP. I'm far from the best PvP'er and enjoy PVE content just as much. Not only do I click, but also backup, alot. And somehow I was consistantly in the top 5 in kills, damage and/or objective points in warzones from lvl 10-49.

You want to show me your uber circle-strafe skills and I will just backup so you are running in circles in front of me while I blast away. I can keyboard turn when needed and click attacks as fast as cooldowns allow me to.

There is no doubt an advantage to those that are hardcore keybinding PvP'ers, but obviously not that much of one.

Of course now I am way behind in the lvl 50 bracket PvP as far as equipement goes since I spent much of my time in PVE, so I get spanked often, but it's not because of my clicking.
This is a joke right?

Did you just imply that back pedaling AND keyboard turning are successful methods of control in a pvp environment?

Gotta be a joke.
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tronot
03.09.2012 , 02:38 PM | #383
Quote: Originally Posted by Jindrak View Post
My main problem is that with alts, how do you remember all your 30+ keybinds on multiple toons?
Same way you learn anything: Practice and memorization.

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Evan_Gregory
03.09.2012 , 02:40 PM | #384
Quote: Originally Posted by Balmuck View Post
Here is what I can't fathom as a pearson who ABSOLUTELY hates keyboards and PC gaming... yes, I grew up with a console so I don't really care for the over priced piece of hardware that never seems to work when you you need it... look at this game and Ilum for example.

Majority of these "key binders" say that it's impossible to move and strafe while clicking, seem to be the clickers themselves.


How does one strafe with the mouse? It's not possible. My strafe keys, are bound to the keyboard and then the most neccesarry abilities, especially my instant heal and shield on the sage, are bound to the closest buttons next to the strafe keys... rest of my keybinds are on my mouse, 1-9, which are modified by alt and shift, which are bound to buttons right underneath my space bar and make my life a whole lot better.


I do wanna say one thing.


You can strafe and click at the same time. You can move and kite and click at the same time. Nothing changes between kiting and strafing while clicking and while using the mouse. It's not like you have to hold your mouse to strafe, it's done vie key input.
You make decent points, but the main reason we say movement is more efficient and easier with the mouse turning is for scenarios in which you need to strafe run, turn at times, and cast.

Yes you can strafe and cast if you are a clicker, but strafe, cast and turn becomes awkward and difficult.

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Balmuck
03.09.2012 , 02:40 PM | #385
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
It's the same thing from the other side. People assuming clickers never use their mouse to strafe/move. I'm a clicker and I use a combo of both. I'll admit that I can't strafe and click at the same time, but come on... it's not like games with a GCD need lightning fast reflexes or anything. This isn't a twitch game.
You can strafe and click, I'm going to fraps it tonight when I get back home.


However, I know some amazing players that click but all in all, your skill will improve if you key bind, if nothing, your imput will improve just by a bit which will make your life a lot better especially in small fight situations.
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Orizuru
03.09.2012 , 02:40 PM | #386
Quote: Originally Posted by WNxAres View Post
I don't see the big deal with clickers. I'm a clicker and I always get great stats... it could be that I'm extremely fast with the clicks and I know my rotations and I beat the global cooldown tenfold. Is the term "clicker" aimed towards people who are more slow or everyone who clicks in general?

I can understand if its towards the slower clicking people because I know a few people like that and it annoys me to watch them play :P
If you don't think it's a big deal then why did you start a thread about it?

Play however you like. If you are having fun, you're doing it right.

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Evan_Gregory
03.09.2012 , 02:43 PM | #387
Quote: Originally Posted by NaciremaDiputs View Post
If you don't think it's a big deal then why did you start a thread about it?
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Galbatorrix
03.09.2012 , 02:44 PM | #388
Quote: Originally Posted by Evan_Gregory View Post
You're the only clicker on this thread with reasoning and understanding.

I bet you are a pretty decent player despite the fact you click, but have you ever thought of the grand world of potential growth you could make if you switched to keybinds?

Who knows, you may go from good as a clicker, to ****** pro as a keybinder.

I've actually tried before in WOW, but it was several years after playing as a clicker and it just felt weird and clumsy to me. I kept hitting the wrong spells or hitting the wrong movement keys when I'd bring my fingers back down after hitting a spell. Plus I felt like I had to look at my keyboard way too often. It was one of those things were I knew I'd probably benefited from it if I'd just stick with it, but because clicking had always worked for me, I switched back and have been clicking ever since. I may try again one day, but for now, what I do seems to work fine.

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origamikitsune
03.09.2012 , 02:45 PM | #389
So. Just out of curiosity, did anyone consider that you can watch the action on the screen, and still see the action bars in your peripheral vision. As well, you can see where the mouse is in relationship to them? You don't have to keep your eyes glued to the bar to click. Just sayin'. Some people have that awareness of their peripheral vision, some don't.

Just like some people are really good at touch typing and can keybind without a problem. And some people can't remember the keyboard to save their life.

The only fact you can argue is that a great clicker is a great clicker, and a great keybinder is a great keybinder. No one has any ground to stand on to say that the keybinder MUST be better than the clicker. Not yet, at least.

When/if the top 20 PvPers in ranked warzones say they are all clickers or all keybinders, then I'll consider that one way may be better than the other, and that anyone has a leg to stand on in this argument.

Until then, there is no evidence one way or the other to show which one is better. Any way you argue it, all you can say is "I think X is better" because quite frankly, you don't know.

And if you do know, show me some actual proof, at which point I will concede the argument and change to that method to better improve myself.

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Frozenshiva
03.09.2012 , 02:48 PM | #390
I'm only going to say these two things one time.

The first thing i'm going to say is,, LET THE PEOPLE PLAY WHATEVER WAY THEY WANT TO.
It's a game. I see no problem with people being clickers. It's their way of playing, what does it matter to you?

"But clicking is bad, you're gimping yourself" SO?!?!? There's probably 5 times more people key-binders than there are clickers, yet the absolute "crop of the crop" if you permit me to use this expresion, is less than 5% of the playerbase. And in that 5% there are clickers as well.

So at the end of the day what does it matter? As long as the person is doing it right, it's right. That's like the math teacher scolding you in school for using a different method to solve the problem, than the one thought in school. Doesn't matter. you solved the problem!

I've had my fair share of server firsts and top 200 parses and im a key-binder.
But here's the catch. One of the people in my guild had top 30 parses, and ....he was/is a clicker. A clicker outperformed me. and half the guild, in a guild going for server firsts every single patch/expansion with half the guild with top 100 parses.

The second thing is this.
Klicking is statistically worse than key-binding.
Yes it's true. We all understand that and it won't change.
However here's the shocker, statistically speaking, there are FAR MORE bad key-binders than there are clickers.
For every one bad clicker, you have like 10 bad key-binders.

So why does it really matter how the person is playing as long as he is showing results?
And even if he doesn't show results. who cares?
As long as the person is not trying (does not want) to complete the hardest content available, it doesn't matter.
If he's a "bad" (and do take into account the quotations) he will be limited in what he can accomplish until he improves to the point it is required of him.
If he doesn't improve and is still bad at the end of the day, newsflash, he won't be getting a spot in that raid/operation/flashpoint/you-name-it , REGARDLESS if he is a clicker or a binder.

So stop bashing each other. You're being ridiculous... especially the binders.