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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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ferroz
03.09.2012 , 12:45 PM | #391
Quote: Originally Posted by HeavensDemise View Post
That's pretty depressing since my server is pretty dead even at peak hours. If it's single server only then the feature will be absolutely useless to myself and many others stuck on dreadfully low population servers.
Just my intuition: don't expect to be able to run anything but hard mode flashpoints; the normal ones will be pretty much dead (you might be able to run the 50 normals but I doubt it). Even then, you'll probably have long waits (hour+) even if you're playing during prime time.

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ferroz
03.09.2012 , 12:52 PM | #392
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
You just proved my point. Thanks.
No, I'm pretty sure I refuted your point: You said that you lose the ability to choose people if they add a cross server lfg. I showed that this isn't the case.

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ferroz
03.09.2012 , 12:54 PM | #393
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
Too many of them to put on ignore when you have so many servers linked.
I still have plenty of room on my ingore list in wow, and I have 0 tolerence for any sort of rudeness in lfd groups.

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But I completely agree with the rest of what you said. I have three 50s and working on a fourth. On my first one, I stopped to "smell the roses" so to speak, and took my time, listening to all of the stories and getting groups for all of the flashpoints/heroics. But, with each subsequent toon, I started doing much less group content. I still like to take my time with the stories, but I don't even bother to try to get a group going for that stuff anymore. That's why I'm in favor of queuing for lower level stuff and even 50 flashpoints. I've changed my mind to even go for cross-server for that, because I don't see the harm it could do, now.
Yeah, it's really sad that new players are basically going to miss out on such a huge part of the game (flashpoints)

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ferroz
03.09.2012 , 12:58 PM | #394
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
People who want x-realm will say anything to argue their point. This reminds me of the guy who told me that every mmo that has added x-realm has nerfed content afterwards, but thats just a coincidence.
He probably told you that you were conflating correlation and causation.

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Rift nerfed once to as you say "flatten the progression curve" pre x-realm,
Actually, they nerfed dungeons 2 or 3 times before single server lfg, and then another bunch of times after before I stopped playing, on almost a continual basis tryign to tune things properly. They were pretty much untuned when the game went live.

and then they added master mode dungeons to make sure they had proper hard content, to make sure they were making everyone happy.

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DarthKhaos
03.09.2012 , 01:21 PM | #395
I guess ats_beowulfe or anyone else didn't have an answer for my question.
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valgar
03.09.2012 , 01:24 PM | #396
Wrong,
NEED a cross realm LFG tool. Shout my head off for hours LFG and get nothing. Haven't done a flash point unless it was with my guild. Don't say its bad for the community when ya can not group with anyone from the community anyway.

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Mysquine
03.09.2012 , 01:42 PM | #397
Quote: Originally Posted by GeorgZoeller View Post
You're guessing quite wrong. Cross-server Warzones are coming.
Not in 1.2 though if I remember what I heard you guys saying? (If it is then I do apologize but from the way the posts are worded it seems like its in the works, and not defiantly in 1.2):

Quote: Originally Posted by DavidBass View Post

UPDATE: Please see Stephen's post here. I've updated the post below to reflect his comments.

Just to clarify, since I've seen this question a number of times in this thread. What we said was:
  • Cross-server PvP queuing is in the works
  • Once it launches, it will allow us to do things such as:
  • More level bracketing
  • 8-man team creation
  • Ability to queue for a specific warzone

There is no current timeline for this feature, and there's also no guarantee that it will all happen at once, but cross-server queuing will open up a bunch of possibilities for us. Once we have more details, of course, we will let you know.


http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=216


So does this mean 1.2 will be server-only for the time being? Because if Im honest.. Uthar Wynn cannot take the hit if that's the case. The population is dwindling, people are re rolling to other servers or just leaving, and without any cross-realm queues full stop the server will have a hard time with - as it is right now - insane queue times.

Don't get me wrong, I have faith in 1.2 - but I don't think its going to bring everyone back to a light populated server of 300-400 people who seem to be playing on it at the moment (both sides).

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Meldwyn
03.09.2012 , 02:06 PM | #398
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
Genuine curiosity. How does a fully automated cross server system allow players to communicate with each other? Also the community in this sense would be considered the server wouldn't it, so how does communicating with another server improve the server community?

I'd like to point out that cross server LFG does not help with heroic quests. The concept I previously linked does.
Since no one would answer you and you wanted an answer, here ya go.

I can never communicate with anyone on another server now, right? But, put us together in a cross server LFG tool and boom, while we are grouped, I have every opportunity to chat with that person(s). That's communication that I would never have otherwise.

And, I always started runs in WoW with pleasantries as well as discussion throughout any dungeons (cross server or otherwise, didn't treat them any different). Its not the tool that creates bad "communities" its the people. If people are rude, a lack of tools doesn't make them nice all of a sudden.

How does that improve the server community? What would you rather have on your server, people who are happy and enjoying all of the game's content (due to the ease and access of a cross server LFG tool), or people so frustrated with not finding groups just log off in anger and never come back...
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Suromir
03.09.2012 , 02:08 PM | #399
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
People who want x-realm will say anything to argue their point. This reminds me of the guy who told me that every mmo that has added x-realm has nerfed content afterwards, but thats just a coincidence.
and those against it will say anything to argue their point. So what's yours?

the DIFFERENCE is, people for the LFG tool can give first-hand opinions from experience..those of you against it just say "it ruins community nah nah nah boo boo" without any real facts to back it up.

here's a clue; WoW's community didn't change, and I had less problems in LFG pug groups than hand-made ones from my server only..and I played since beta to cata. Others tell you the same. WoW's community was always garbage because of the type of people that prevailed on Battle.net and came over due to the "WarCraft" name.

the cross-server LFG tool helped RIFT..but everyone wants to overlook that fact.

a cross server LFG tool will not do anything to the community except help keep people who are on the fence to canceling due to not being able to get groups together for the things they want to do.

what exactly is fun about spamming general chat for an hour or two? only to either give up most of the time or not even find a group?

FACT - SWTOR needs a cross-server LFG tool. FACT - it will only HELP the game.

get over yourselves..no one is forcing you to use the damn thing anyway if it does go in.

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DarthKhaos
03.09.2012 , 02:17 PM | #400
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
Since no one would answer you and you wanted an answer, here ya go.

I can never communicate with anyone on another server now, right? But, put us together in a cross server LFG tool and boom, while we are grouped, I have every opportunity to chat with that person(s). That's communication that I would never have otherwise.

And, I always started runs in WoW with pleasantries as well as discussion throughout any dungeons (cross server or otherwise, didn't treat them any different). Its not the tool that creates bad "communities" its the people. If people are rude, a lack of tools doesn't make them nice all of a sudden.

How does that improve the server community? What would you rather have on your server, people who are happy and enjoying all of the game's content (due to the ease and access of a cross server LFG tool), or people so frustrated with not finding groups just log off in anger and never come back...
Ok during the duration of the flashpoint you can communicate with those few people... Then what? You can't nurture pr strengthen those bonds at a later date unless you leave your current community and join theirs.

No idea how bad people came up in a communication discussion.

Your last point makes the assumption that the community will be miserable without a cross server fully automated system. That also does not answer how can communicating with players from another server temporary improve your current community. Are the bonds between the server members strengthened? People joining more guilds, making more friends etc on the server increase via this communication? I am curious.
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