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Rafkin
03.09.2012 , 01:51 PM | #351
clicking is fine. It's a ridiculous argument especially in a game with a global cool down. Strafing? Please. I laugh at the people trying to strafe me as I just spin in place.

Maybe its just people trying to justify their $100 mouse.

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Galbatorrix
03.09.2012 , 01:51 PM | #352
Quote: Originally Posted by superpeanuts View Post
Im will ing to admit that if you are a clicker in pvp you can probablly get away with healing and or rdps. Seems like you lose a lot of ability to kite when you arent taking advantage of the "a" "d" "s" "w" keys but maybe the benefit is so marginal that you as a clicker can get away with it.

however that doesnt answer my question




question for clickers who play mdps characters

How do you stay on top of your target in PVP? the target (other players) dont sit patiently in one place while you click your abilities and you obviously arent going to be able to move with them and click abilities at the same time. Clearly in PVE this is a non issue because npc enemies either stand in one spot in meele range or shoot from one spot at range and shoot at you. However in PVP clicking seems to make playing a mdps class against moving human targets impossible.

Also another question

When as a clicker you are playing a mdps class how do you stay behind your target? With a combination of the mouse and keyboard you can perpetually remain facing a player target's back. (right mouse button held down and "a" or "d" key). A mouse and keyboard mover useing 1-6 and alt+ 1-6 can and do litterally run circles around clickers. what is a clickers answer to this obvious disadvantage?

I think that the apperant lack of acknowledgement of this honest question means either

1) clickers know they cant and so dont play mdps in pvp or
2) clickers know they are at a severe disavantage playing mdps in pvp so dont answer because they have no defensable argument

sincerely curious how a successful mdps clicker does it in pvp???

Why wouldn't I be able to move and click at the same time? I use the arrows plus the left and right mouse buttons for movement and when I get in melee range, I continue to use the arrows while I click my damaging abilities. Heck, I got 7 Medals with my Vanguard last night (3 were for guarding/defense, I believe) and he's mostly Melee.


Maybe my way isn't as efficient as yours, but it works just fine for me.

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Meldwyn
03.09.2012 , 01:53 PM | #353
Change is hard for the majority of people.

It took me a long time to move from clicking to keybinding (studied it on the Internet, downloaded pics, watched vids, etc...) because I needed to get better at tanking and more reactionary as a warrior. Then, it took me even longer to move to a g13 with a thumb joystick... all while my son, who adapted quickly to the changes, was telling me to let go and just start using it (we both got one for Christmas years back). Once I made the commitment, I was a different animal. I would never ever go back! Oh, then I added an MMO mouse. Whoa, big differences all the way around.

Seriously, you can play how you want, but if you want to learn something new, give keybinding and the g13 a go!!
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Astharothtx
03.09.2012 , 01:53 PM | #354
Hi

Quote: Originally Posted by Evan_Gregory View Post
Again, missing the point. Aiming and moving a mouse in an fps is entriely different than an mm
You know this game has global cooldowns right?
Quote: Originally Posted by OldBenSmokin View Post
I'm not going to be mean but, again, using an FPS as an comparison is just silly.
And the argument of "keybinders" is "is not possible" / "keyboard is fast" / "to click is loose time".

The gameplay style is different, YES. But the skill needed to push keys and move your mouse is NOT.

So, if u're quick enough to hit 5 moving targets on a FPS... what stops u to apply that skill clicking spells on a MMO?

Simply... NOTHING

There is no difference about click on a head or click on a spell, is just speed.. and in a game with GDC... u dont need too much speed so the main argument about "keybinders" about the "speed" is , in fact, not true for the average gamer.

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Galbatorrix
03.09.2012 , 01:53 PM | #355
I'd also like to add that I do tab target with the keyboard (I have it bound to 0 on the number pad) for tanking. Tab doesn't work great in the game, but it's better than trying to click targets when there's a lot going on.

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Tekkoclarky
03.09.2012 , 01:55 PM | #356
The matter of the fact is this.

Can you be a clicker and be very good at the game? Yes you can.

If you learn and get used to moving with the mouse to move, and get used to using keybinds, can you be an even better player than you already are? Yes, you can.

It is a 100% fact, that say if you are standing in the fire, and the quickest way out is to turn 180 degrees, mouse turning is by far the fastest way out of that situation.

If you are mashing your dps rotation and you are given the roll to interrupt this ability with a 1 second cast time. Good luck doing the best dps possible and interrupting that cast as a clicker.

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XOrionX
03.09.2012 , 01:56 PM | #357
How can you control all of the movement with only your mouse? I don't consider myself a newb at all, because I am constantly at the top of the charts for dps/kills/objectives. I currently use the keyboard and mouse for movement and abilities. 1-10 on my number bars the abilities I use left often I have on my second bar and have them keybinded to shift+1-10 but usually I will opt to click them instead.

I use wasd +qe for my movement and will quick turn with my mouse.

Also, I will add if you are a turret class (Mercanary Arsenal for example) you can get away with clicking, you are entirely immobile for the most part.
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Dayln
03.09.2012 , 01:56 PM | #358
Quote: Originally Posted by Rafkin View Post
clicking is fine. It's a ridiculous argument especially in a game with a global cool down. Strafing? Please. I laugh at the people trying to strafe me as I just spin in place.

Maybe its just people trying to justify their $100 mouse.
It is nothing but an ego thing, they want to tell others how they are supposed to play.

You are best to ignore such people, and do what works best for you regardless of what they tell you
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Evan_Gregory
03.09.2012 , 01:57 PM | #359
Quote: Originally Posted by Astharothtx View Post
Hi





And the argument of "keybinders" is "is not possible" / "keyboard is fast" / "to click is loose time".

The gameplay style is different, YES. But the skill needed to push keys and move your mouse is NOT.

So, if u're quick enough to hit 5 moving targets on a FPS... what stops u to apply that skill clicking spells on a MMO?

Simply... NOTHING

There is no difference about click on a head or click on a spell, is just speed.. and in a game with GDC... u dont need too much speed so the main argument about "keybinders" about the "speed" is , in fact, not true for the average gamer.



Again, you really are oblivious to the point. I'm not saying a clicker can't be precise and click relatively quickly, but while they are clicking they lose awareness of the map, it makes moving while casting much more difficult, and in comparison, every second it takes dragging your mouse to click abilities an entire fight could be saved by binding.

When there is an alternative to something, and the first way has no unique exclusive benefits, wouldn't anyone with half a brain choose the latter method?

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XOrionX
03.09.2012 , 01:58 PM | #360
Quote: Originally Posted by Rafkin View Post
clicking is fine. It's a ridiculous argument especially in a game with a global cool down. Strafing? Please. I laugh at the people trying to strafe me as I just spin in place.

Maybe its just people trying to justify their $100 mouse.
Strafing is funny. Unless you have your target cc'd an you need to get behind them for a position based skill, strafing is useless. Just turn to follow their movement and stay in place. You will always hit them if you are facing them and targeting them.
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