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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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Newsinz
03.09.2012 , 04:34 AM | #321
Quote: Originally Posted by Uruare View Post
Still firm in my position that cross server LFG tools for dungeons and operations does nothing to harm healthy communities and, at worst, only removes illusions of power from abusive server populations.
You only need a LFG tool because there isn't a healthy community though.... not that I'm against it

I don't think it kills community. If its single server ( which they said it is! ) it will allow you to meet other people you either A. Game well together or B. Cant stand. In the end I think single server will be a good thing. Once you start adding people to your friends list you wont need it anymore you'll have a solid core group of people to go 4man heroic with or whatever OPS you may want to run.

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illgot
03.09.2012 , 04:36 AM | #322
You know why I have done 1 flashpoint on my level 30 smuggler?

Because I paid a level 50 player 50k to run me through Mando Raiders solo.

I couldn't find a group, my equipment was suffering nearly 10 levels of being outdated (very slow GMK) and I could not find a group to run any other flashpoints.

I am all for anything that allows me to play this game for more than solo content.

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DarthKhaos
03.09.2012 , 05:34 AM | #323
Quote: Originally Posted by Newsinz View Post
You only need a LFG tool because there isn't a healthy community though.... not that I'm against it

I don't think it kills community. If its single server ( which they said it is! ) it will allow you to meet other people you either A. Game well together or B. Cant stand. In the end I think single server will be a good thing. Once you start adding people to your friends list you wont need it anymore you'll have a solid core group of people to go 4man heroic with or whatever OPS you may want to run.
This is what I'm talking bout. The ability to expand your group of friends. Most of the people on my friends list are those who I've formed bonds with in the heat of battle. I can't do this with a cross realm system.

Quote: Originally Posted by illgot View Post
You know why I have done 1 flashpoint on my level 30 smuggler?

Because I paid a level 50 player 50k to run me through Mando Raiders solo.

I couldn't find a group, my equipment was suffering nearly 10 levels of being outdated (very slow GMK) and I could not find a group to run any other flashpoints.

I am all for anything that allows me to play this game for more than solo content.
The only way you'll be level 30 with gear 10 levels out dated is if you only do warzones, space missions or just grind your way to 30 by killing mobs. So I find this statement totally off. Just by questing you get upgrades to your gear.
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fnak
03.09.2012 , 06:13 AM | #324
I for one DON'T want crossserver LFG, at least not for Warzones.

Why? Because i got to know these people i've been pvping all this time with. Yesterday we ended up in the fleet, in front of the pvp vendors talking while waiting for the next WZ. That was 10+ people from different guilds, just sitting there, socializing, having fun.

Not to mention the fact that knowing who the people are improves teamwork: You see that guy and remembers he's a tank, you throw him the ball. See that other guy get attacked, remembers he's a healer, you go help him.

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Gohlar
03.09.2012 , 06:15 AM | #325
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Still firm in my position that cross server LFG tools for dungeons and operations does nothing to harm healthy communities and, at worst, only removes illusions of power from abusive server populations.
QFT

Every game has this argument. Every game adds it. Every game is better off.

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ferroz
03.09.2012 , 06:20 AM | #326
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
This is what I'm talking bout. The ability to expand your group of friends. Most of the people on my friends list are those who I've formed bonds with in the heat of battle. I can't do this with a cross realm system.


The only way you'll be level 30 with gear 10 levels out dated is if you only do warzones, space missions or just grind your way to 30 by killing mobs. So I find this statement totally off. Just by questing you get upgrades to your gear.
no, it's really easy to do that if you do all of the bonus missions along with a handful of warzones and space missions... the gear you wind up having after those bonus missions is way off because the commendations you get are for much lower level gear.

When I got near level 40, most of my gear was still around level 30 because of this; my ehancements were even lower, because the ones off of the commendation vendors were kind of junk. I basically skipped balmora except for my class quest so that I could start getting relevant gear again.

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ferroz
03.09.2012 , 06:26 AM | #327
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And how will that happen without the use of General Chat spam, an activity I've never agreed with.
the exact same way that you do now

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How can I use the cross server tool to select who I play with?
You don't. That has nothing to do with the fact that you can still choose who you play with, just like I did in many of my groups in wow (about half, but I like to pug so I pugged) and just like many of my friends have always done in wow.

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ferroz
03.09.2012 , 06:28 AM | #328
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It won't be here till at least June at the earliest and it won't be a strong functioning tool if we can learn from the progress of the X-LFD from WoW.
yeah, based on what happened in rift:

If you're not on one of the top 3 or 4 most populated servers, expect it to be worthless except at the level cap; you'll still see some long waits as tanks on those populated servers, even at the level cap.

If you aren't on the top 10 most populated servers, it's going to be junk even at the level cap.


If you play at anything other than your server peak time, expect it to be pretty much worthless as well, regardless of how populated your server is.

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ferroz
03.09.2012 , 06:34 AM | #329
Quote: Originally Posted by Liteweightthedog View Post
1. Players had a much higher tendency to "phone it in" when they ran the instances and couldnt care less how they performed. There was no accountability for how well they played or how much they contributed to the group.
Eh, I found this to be the opposite; I expect that's because it was easy to see your contribution to the group, so people knew that if they just afk'd through they'd be kicked in replaced in seconds... so the end result is that neither the kicking or the slacking happened all that often.

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2. With the vast majority of players using the finder and grouping with players on other realms you are pretty much forced to use it to find groups whether you like it or not. Players become unwilling to wait for a group to form in the old way and run with players on their own server.
No, I know people in wow that still only form groups on their own server. It's still possible to do.

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3. You don't have the option to befriend players on other servers that you enjoyed grouping with.

When you run content with another player or players that click and make for an enjoyable time you want to be able to group with them again. When theyre on a different server you don't have that option and that great grouping will never come together again.
This is just simply false; you can do that right now in wow, although the current system has flaws (privacy issues). They're enhancing that with the battletag system, which removes those privacy issues.


So basically you get the convenience of a faster wait time without losing any the other benefits of grouping with other players.

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Gohlar
03.09.2012 , 06:35 AM | #330
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
yeah, based on what happened in rift:

If you're not on one of the top 3 or 4 most populated servers, expect it to be worthless except at the level cap; you'll still see some long waits as tanks on those populated servers, even at the level cap.

If you aren't on the top 10 most populated servers, it's going to be junk even at the level cap.


If you play at anything other than your server peak time, expect it to be pretty much worthless as well, regardless of how populated your server is.
LFG saved Rift. The community is fine. I'm currently playing it, it's probably the best mmo out right now for endgame and LFG is a big reason why. (~10min queues as dps, healer/tank instant)

I think people have a hard time understand the problem with WoW was it's players. The tool is fine.

But anyone who dictates how others should and shouldn't play (the anti-option crowd) isn't worried about what's best for the game, they are only worried about what they want.

Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
This is what I'm talking bout. The ability to expand your group of friends. Most of the people on my friends list are those who I've formed bonds with in the heat of battle. I can't do this with a cross realm system.
So make your own groups. Stop trying to make everyone play like you. It's bad for the game. You really expect a lot of people's game time be wasted because YOU feel they shouldn't use a queue? Get out...

Although anyone serious about grouping has already quit so I guess it doesn't matter...