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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly


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Gavin_Darkl
03.06.2012 , 09:34 PM | #811
Quote: Originally Posted by Moricthian View Post
lol

Bioware keeps listening to bad arguments like this and that's why finding groups is such a pain in the butt right now. I've already cancelled my sub due to lack of a proper tool and others will too until BW realizes the above post is filled with nothing but assumptions and unsubstantiated claims. The idea that not having a LFG tool will force players to make internet friends is foolish.
No its not. What you said is foolish. Right now in my guild I have 20+ people that I have become friends with, some have followed me from other games to SWTOR. You people who want a Cross Server LFD tool need to go play a Lobby game or a single player game. Its not hard to make friends and be social among players. O WAIT THE LEAD DESIGNER SAID WHAT? Yes that logging on with a guild/group of friends is more enjoyable then playing the game solo. Which you do if its a Cross server LFD tool. End of Story.

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Gavin_Darkl
03.06.2012 , 09:39 PM | #812
Quote: Originally Posted by Serbeross View Post
I rest my case. As I said, and as will ALWAYS remain true... the "social skills" argument is and will ultimately prove irrelevant. Social skill do not pay subscription fees and while I appreciate the irony of a MMO player chiding others about social graces, the simple fact remains that dollars will decide this.
I like your Arrangement because it will blow up in your face. The Majority of people who have played MMOs prior to LFD tools have for the social interaction, Most of the people who don't want Social interaction play YES LOBBY GAMES or SINGLE PLAYER GAMES. I am sorry that your logic does not get that MMO players want social interaction and MMOs were and have always been designed around Social interaction going as far back as you guessed it, THE REALM.

Its a moot point now. You want to go back to WoW or Rift which has a Cross server LFD tool be my guest. I have friends that been waiting for BW to say there was not going to be a Cross server LFD tool because they would not play another game with one. O and BTW yes the same goes from 30+ members in my guild. Social interaction and being on vent is more important then a Lobby game.

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Orisai
03.06.2012 , 11:35 PM | #813
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
No its not. What you said is foolish. Right now in my guild I have 20+ people that I have become friends with, some have followed me from other games to SWTOR. You people who want a Cross Server LFD tool need to go play a Lobby game or a single player game. Its not hard to make friends and be social among players. O WAIT THE LEAD DESIGNER SAID WHAT? Yes that logging on with a guild/group of friends is more enjoyable then playing the game solo. Which you do if its a Cross server LFD tool. End of Story.
lol . .

Quote: Originally Posted by nixnaxi View Post
Do..do you people know how to make friends in game?
How difficult is that? How little social skills do you have to have?

You find a group INSTANTLY if you make friends. If everyone can dungeon finder to auto-queue, then no one makes friends in game. They just stay in their little real life circle. Or worse. You get auto-grouped with bad players. If its cross server, how do you even learn who is good and who isn't?

You people are insane. And I don't care how many 'substantial' argument you conjure from thin air, the premise of a cross-server auto lfg tool is fundamentally unsound, even if it isn't provably so through the raw data. Community isn't measurable through raw data. It is something that is experienced, believe it or not. You can't all be THIS anti-social...

Wait. Its an internet forum.
nevermind.
If you people think you can make friends on faceless people you will never see in your entire life, then you have a very cheap concept of what friendship means. In my times we used to go outside to a bar or a nightclub to meet people and eventually, make our friends.
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Darnu
03.07.2012 , 01:52 AM | #814
Quote: Originally Posted by Scorchess View Post
I've seen this argument a lot, and while it looks valid on face value, in practice it doesn't hold up. People will use what's available to them. Which in turn means you have to, as well.

If an LFG tool is implemented, everybody will be forced to use it. Not out of lack of options or choice, but out of sheer necessity.
It hasn't worked out like that in wow. In swtor I've spent so many hours trying to get a flashpoint (yes, I screwed up, somehow I ended up 4 levels too low for the content and on Voss it actually hurt so I had to level so I could do the missions I had) and nothing. Been in a group, but you can't find a tank. Just need 1 dps and a companion can be the other dps. But try to find that ONE elusive dps. It might not be an issue at 50 but when you're levelling it is. When you're in group heroics, once we made it a flashpoint. Other times people aren't interested. They're in the missioning headspace etc or logging off soon.

Also, friends I meet in this game are friends. Not slaves. I can't make them stop everything they are doing and come and run with me whenever I want. Or even log on, for that matter. Anyone else's guild gone AWOL?

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chaosdefined
03.07.2012 , 04:16 AM | #815
Choosing to roll on a high population server isn't really an option for some of us, considering that so many of the servers are Low to Standard population.

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Serbeross
03.07.2012 , 08:36 AM | #816
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
No its not. What you said is foolish.
That my be the single most well reasoned, thought out and researched response I have ever seen on a forum. It was backed up with fact and presented in a manner in which a response could barely hope to stand against.


I will sum this up for you one more time Gavin:

I do not need a game to make friends.
I do not look to this game for a sense of community. I have my church, my friends, my family, my job and my neighborhood for that. Again, I do not need a video game for that.
I enjoy the irony of an MMO player lecturing others about social skills.
I play this game because there are certain features of MMOs I really enjoy: Instance, Raids and things that involve teamwork.
I pay $16 a month to play this game.
If this game continues to fall short of my expectations and continues to not be able to deliver a complete product, I will stop paying $16 dollars a month to be bored.
Bioware is a business. Businesses exist for one reason and one reason only and that is to make money.
When people stop paying subscription fees, businesses stop making money.
When BW stops making money on SW, SW goes away.
See what happens to your imaginary world now.

The bottom line is the bottom line and when enough people stop paying their fees, the bottom line gets REALLY small.

This is a tool. Your notion that a TOOL can ruin a community is a completely false premise. You can always choose not to use said tool. You're guild will be intact, you're little circle of "friends" will be intact, you're community will be intact and SW will be a stronger game for having it.


There are A LOT of holes in this game that Bioware needs to address and address quickly. This is one of them.

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Serbeross
03.07.2012 , 08:50 AM | #817
Quote: Originally Posted by Glyptodon View Post

A LFG system also wouldn't be to the detriment of people who don't want it. If someone is picky about with whom they group or just don't like the LFG system, they don't need to use it. I don't really think it will dramatically change things for the worst. If you have to wait an hour to get a group and it falls apart, it's easy to get frustrated and leave. If you wait 30 seconds for a group and it falls apart, it's a lot easier to just hop back in the queue and try it again.

I know people are cancelling their subscriptions because it's too hard to get a group together to do FPs. As much as I hate comparing this game to WoW, the LFG system in WoW is actually very well done. I never had any complaints with the system, and it was something that kept me in the game longer than I may have otherwise stayed. I always knew I would be able to get a group.

I know that a LFG system for FPs and HM FPs is top on my wishlist and the wishlist of a lot of the people with whom I play. I don't think it's necessary for Regular Ops, and I don't think there should be one for HM Ops, but having it for FPs and HM FPs will (1) make it easier to find groups to gear up at level 50 and (2) make people more likely to run the lower level FPs while leveling, rather than just soloing them at 50 to unlock the HM.

Spot on.

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mdob
03.07.2012 , 01:44 PM | #818
please get us a Dungeon Finder before 1.3

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CorwinStark
03.08.2012 , 12:28 AM | #819
Sub cancelled until there is a Group Finder.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

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iCuD
03.08.2012 , 03:40 PM | #820
Quote: Originally Posted by CorwinStark View Post
Sub cancelled until there is a Group Finder.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.
This is really the main reason I left the game, that and ALL the stuff coming in 1.2

I looked at the 1.2 vid, HOPING to see some sort of Flashpoint Matchmaking, and nothing.

I guess I won't be coming back yet.

To those that don't want one, just don't use it. But for people like me who abhor LFG spam, or being forced to sit in a populated area to wait for a group rather than doing something productive with my time? Not having this option after using it in WoW for so long is a huge turn off.

I left because, as much as I enjoyed this game, I could not justify paying a monthly sub for what so far amounted to a single player experience with a few warzones thrown in.

What I WANT and NEED is to be able to group up with one or two or 3 of my buddies, press a button and fill the rest of what we need for a group, then do some flashpoints together during those times when they are on, and when they aren't? I will do solo stuff and explore my story.

IMO there is no excuse not to have these things... Just because people used to have to cook popcorn in a kettle doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to nuke mine in the microwave.