Am I the only PvPer who would be OK with people being GIVEN BM gear when they hit 50?

Just ignore Darth_Sookie. He be trollin'.

Full BM in the mail and I'M trollin'? You must be trollin'

You're posting the same nonsense - much of what has been addressed in other threads, over and over. Either you are trolling or stupid. Take your pick.

I'd honestly have no problem with this. I understand folks who want gear to matter a bit because they are tied in to the idea of having their character get more powerful the longer they play, but the gear gradient needs to be small if the game is to maintain a healthy PvP population. I understand the OP's proposal is a bit extreme, and probably goes overboard, but all I want from my gear is to not be at a disadvantage in PvP.

Whether the players who prefer gear mattering a lot want to admit it or not, they need players who are on the low end of the gear curve to be able to compete if they have equal skill. Otherwise PvP will die in SWTOR.

I enjoy your standing argument that everyone who wants pvp gear progression are terrible players that just want to get carried by gear. Brillant dude. The only thing that has been addressed is your ignorance.

Well, you do want to get carried by gear. Otherwise, you wouldn't be worried about having to fight players in equal gear. There really isn't any other explanation.

I like the system the way it is. I am valor 57 and looking forward to getting my battlemaster, I have not kill traded or exploited for any valor gains. I log on PvP for fun then log out when its not fun anymore. I like how champion can take on battlemaster with the BM having only a slight edge. Getting a kickback on valor and gear is nice and rewarding after sitting through a losing match. The current system ramps you into decent gear fairly fast and has been an enjoyable experience overall.

while i admit that the gear gap is a big problem in this game, giving everyone BM gear right off the bat does a 180 degrees and goes to the other extreme.

getting BM as a fresh 50 takes literally hundreds of hours. now they have made improvements on this front, but it still should not takes months of playing pvp 5-6 hours everyday to get the best gear. even getting full champ takes close to a hundred hours of pvp.

You've hit on the crux of the problem here. Because of a limited population we need everyone to be able to play together and enjoy it, but large gear gradients kill any influx of new PvPer's and the population dies. I've played multiple MMO's now dating all the way back to UO, and making gear have little to no impact drives away a lot less people than making gear have a big impact does. Those that prefer gear gradients eventually max their gear and quit anyways, while those that prefer less gear impact will play continuously as long as there is good competition and the game mechanics are not frustrating.


This also illustrates a crux of the problem. Gear progression is in many ways a bandaid placed on the problem that PvP is simply not that much fun for many players. The dev's know that a good number of people will continue to grind gear even if it is not that much fun for them. This is simply lazy game design, and will result in a dead game long term. the real solution is to make the act of PvPing fun for most who try it. This removes the need for a gear grind.

I wouldn't be okay with it.

Not because I NEED some sort of gear advantage but because having goals to shoot for encourages more pvp. Without progression you get your fill and move on. PVP in mmos these days (particularly in instanced battlegrounds/warzones) just isn't deep enough to be entertaining as a standalone activity with no progression.

I also enjoy raiding but I wouldn't raid much just for the sake of raiding if there wasn't rewards to get from it as well.

It's a staple part of MMOs. There should be some grind, just try to make the grind fun (and I think the pvp grind is fun, actually). Then you get to grab all the carrots along the way.

Basically:

PVP: Not bad, gets old after a while.

Collecting gear: Not bad, gets old after a while.

PVP and collecting gear: Fun.