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Bio says no to macros at Guild Summit.
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Kaskava
Old 03.06.2012 , 02:35 PM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by Tinasa View Post
I'm so happy to hear that Combat Macros won't be seen anytime soon in the game. However, I don't think all macro's should be judged equally. I hope we will see some shortcuts to using other things, that could benefit from macros or some other mechanic for their use.
Surprise! They already are. You just have to buy something externally.
This just in: Expanding on an ending no one likes is not improving said ending. A polished turd is still a turd.

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Kaskava
Old 03.06.2012 , 02:36 PM | #212
Quote: Originally Posted by Frostvein View Post
Come on, either debate the points intelligently or don't debate them at all.

You have no clue how many people have extended peripherals. Could be 5%. 50%. 70%.

They can add the functionality to the game so that the impact of outside keyboards/mice is negated. This isn't something they are incapable of doing.
Capability and willingness are two different things. At this point, I'm think they just don't want. Hopefully we'll see them sometime down the line.

Maybe I'm just bitter about my massive issues with Mass Effect 3, and taking it out on every facet of EAWare, but it still seems like they're trying to avoid doing anything, pigeon-holing you into buying more peripherals.
This just in: Expanding on an ending no one likes is not improving said ending. A polished turd is still a turd.

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Ebbikenezer
Old 03.06.2012 , 02:45 PM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaskava View Post
If everyone already had it, then there wouldn't be any argument.
There really isn't an argument, you're arguing that because someone can buy something to make something available, it should be implemented into the game.

I'm not wholly against macros, I think they most certainly ARE useful, but your argument is so flawed and invalid it just stands to reason that when anyone sees posts like yours it's NOT HELPING the player base any with our credibility and reasoning.

Coming up with an intelligent and reasonable execution of implementing macros into the game and putting it in a thread on the suggestion forums is great.

Hopping into any thread talking about macros and claiming "It's available by purchasing hardware, WHY isn't it in the game?!?!!" just drives the entire subject of the thread to ridicule.

It's just silly. Your argument is silly. Your reasoning is silly. Every debate you put out against any post is just, well... silly. At the end of the day, AS IT STAND, RIGHT NOW: There are HUNDREDS, probably even THOUSANDS of games out there that you will gain an advantage by purchasing *GASP* a Razer product, EVEN THE SWTOR BRANDED ONES!!!

Are you all over EVERY one of those games' forums crying foul? Could we get all the links please?

People invest in their gaming, some more so than others and you want whatever "they" can do to be put in game "so we all can do it".

Well, we can't all be winners now, can we? This line of thinking is right along the lines of "Well I know he worked on his ranked WZs and/or NM Mode Ops for the past month non-stop, but I WANT that Gear/Title/Vanity Item too!!!!!" And it ruins games because eventually they cave, everyone can get everything for little to no work, and the people who did like to put a little effort into getting what they had move on, because all of their work was just devolved into the epitome of your "We should get it since it's here anyways!" post.
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CFourPO
Old 03.06.2012 , 02:49 PM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by KahnyaGnorc View Post
-Combat macros makes combat easier
-When one group has easier combat and another doesn't (macro-users vs. non-macro-users), balancing content to work with both groups becomes impossible.
Right. and right now. I am using macros out of game. Because I can figure out how to do them with Autohotkey I have an advantage. Because most casual people wouldnt know how to write those scripts and many people dont want to spend $100 on a mouse, they are at a disadvantage and will continue to be.

Simple in game macros would level the playing field for anyone that could get on the forum and read a guide. And a level playing field makes the game more fun.

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halorix
Old 03.06.2012 , 02:53 PM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by JustTed View Post
Get a mic.
you realize that even if someone play's with friends there are still 4 people who wouldn't be able to hear right?

Of course i already know the answer.

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cipher_nemo
Old 03.06.2012 , 02:57 PM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by CFourPO View Post
Right. and right now. I am using macros out of game. Because I can figure out how to do them with Autohotkey I have an advantage. Because most casual people wouldnt know how to write those scripts and many people dont want to spend $100 on a mouse, they are at a disadvantage and will continue to be.
Yup, I do the same. I wouldn't call it a performance advantage, but I would call it an improved gaming experience as a result. Less tedious mashing keys = more relaxing gameplay with less carpel-tunnel inducing key mashing.

On the same note, some people have better/faster gaming rigs than others. That's clearly an advantage since they're experiencing smoother gameplay. Less local lag and hiccups in framerates means they get a better chance to respond faster in PvP, etc.

No one can truly level the playing field when we're talking PC gaming, but we can certainly help the casuals have a more enjoyable experience when we introduces macros into the client. Even though I don't need them, I'm all for making the client more accessible and more customizable.

Quote: Originally Posted by CFourPO View Post
Simple in game macros would level the playing field for anyone that could get on the forum and read a guide. And a level playing field makes the game more fun.
I think the Bioware devs are against it because they don't want to admit that players need macros just to play their game. They don't want to admit that they're going to have a cookie-cutter MMO just like everyone else. Don't get me wrong, I love TOR so far. They've made and continue to update a great game, but I do realize that they're not really innovating much in the MMO market.

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Kelsion
Old 03.06.2012 , 03:11 PM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by Ebbikenezer View Post
There really isn't an argument, you're arguing that because someone can buy something to make something available, it should be implemented into the game.

I'm not wholly against macros, I think they most certainly ARE useful, but your argument is so flawed and invalid it just stands to reason that when anyone sees posts like yours it's NOT HELPING the player base any with our credibility and reasoning.

Coming up with an intelligent and reasonable execution of implementing macros into the game and putting it in a thread on the suggestion forums is great.

Hopping into any thread talking about macros and claiming "It's available by purchasing hardware, WHY isn't it in the game?!?!!" just drives the entire subject of the thread to ridicule.

It's just silly. Your argument is silly. Your reasoning is silly. Every debate you put out against any post is just, well... silly. At the end of the day, AS IT STAND, RIGHT NOW: There are HUNDREDS, probably even THOUSANDS of games out there that you will gain an advantage by purchasing *GASP* a Razer product, EVEN THE SWTOR BRANDED ONES!!!

Are you all over EVERY one of those games' forums crying foul? Could we get all the links please?

People invest in their gaming, some more so than others and you want whatever "they" can do to be put in game "so we all can do it".

Well, we can't all be winners now, can we? This line of thinking is right along the lines of "Well I know he worked on his ranked WZs and/or NM Mode Ops for the past month non-stop, but I WANT that Gear/Title/Vanity Item too!!!!!" And it ruins games because eventually they cave, everyone can get everything for little to no work, and the people who did like to put a little effort into getting what they had move on, because all of their work was just devolved into the epitome of your "We should get it since it's here anyways!" post.

The whole point of a subscription base gaming model is that everyone gets the same ability with the same subscription fee. How would you feel if you were new to the gaming community and decided to play SWTOR. You pay for the game and set up a sub. You start playing thinking that you have the same potential as everyone else. All you have to do is learn the game, practice, and improve. Then you find out that there are these peripherals out there that can give you the ability to do things in game that you can't do otherwise. You are like "cool, how can I get these abilities". Then you find out that you have to go pay a bunch of extra money for these peripherals or you won't be able to do the same things as these other people.

It is not vary fair, and sub based MMOs are all about fairness, balance, and skill. It is not about, "I have less skill than you so I will go buy some stuff and have an advantage over you." That is a F2P model. In a sub based model, either everyone has an ability or no one has it. It is that simple.
"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" - Admiral David Farragut

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bahdasz
Old 03.06.2012 , 03:15 PM | #218
With 4 tool bars, I have to say that I don't miss macros at all. And this game really doesn't need a bunch of heal bots running around, or spam bots standing in the star ports and cantinas, that's for sure.

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va_wanderer
Old 03.06.2012 , 03:17 PM | #219
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Bioware doesn't like players not having to work.
There, I think that says it better.
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WutsInAName
Old 03.06.2012 , 03:18 PM | #220
Quote: Originally Posted by iResist View Post
Thank god for no combat macros. Love you Bioware!
I use combat macro's


Anyone who cant figure out how to is just sub par,


hint* Razor.