The Forgotten Playerbase: Where are my macros?

You are not really informing anyone when you say that macros automate the manual function of pressing keybinds. That's the entire point.

What I find funny, however, is that your entire macro anecdotal experience is revolved around people who use emotes along with their skills.

You're someone who has probably never used macros in any games you've ever played since you view them as "easy" way to get things done in a game. What do you know about a functionality you have never used? In line with your logic, pressing an extra two keybinds amounts to a challenge that requires situational awareness? Please explain to me how using an ability that automatically enables itself after parrying or dodging an attack based on an RNG mechanic can be related to difficulty in any way? I guess you skipped that entire part of my thread that deals with ability and resource management.

The amount of mis-information that is in this thread is staggering. People really think that macros are going to automate every action in this game. This is depressing. Very depressing.

Beautifully said.. I have to wonder what direction this MMO genre wants anymore.. Just the other day a few of them in chat were discussing the painful 5 minute travel from one location to another.. Obviously they never played EQ1.. and quickly forget the 15 min. long griffon rides in WoW.. They all want instaclick this.. or instaclick that.. I win.. Next game?

There is one and only one "standard" for macros, nowadays: World of Warcraft. And it seems quite obvious to me that giving players the abilities to make macros with context-specific functionality like [help] vs [harm], [@mouseover] or [@targettarget], and [modifier:shift] or [modifier:alt] is absolutely not any kind of "automation" that "trivializes the game". Macros like WoW's (which allow one action per press only) only serve to lower the UI's impact in combat. It doesn't make things easier, it just allows you to play against the encounter (or enemy players) without having to jump through hoops for basic functionality.

You completely fail to understand what I was trying to say there..... poor guy.

I think the people against macros really don't know much about them.

All I want is to effectively do an ability quickly. I am not wanting anyone to 'think' for me. I want to do something with one button press.

As long as macros are made in a way where I have to press a button to perform an action, and I know the action that pressing the button will perform, than I don't see why you anti-fun people are so gung ho against it.

If you think that macro's like that result in anything but you being terrible and doing terrible dps than I suspect you have no clue what you are talking about.

Macros are nice for mouseover abilities and things off the GCD that you dont want to bind. You can also vary the degree of complexity allowable in a macro.

I find 2 type of people who argue against macros and it hurts the cause to get them.

1. People who either dont know how to setup a proper rotation or dont want to use them so dont want anyone to be able to use them.

2. People who use a G15/19 or Naga to do it with hardware.

Now why would people who use hardware argue against in game macros ? Because they have a huge advantage right now that most players do not have because they do not own the hardware capable of doing it and if they add in game macros they lose this advantage.


Should this game have macros ? Yes I have 0 room on my hotbars and without them adding more where do i put these so called legacy skills ? Why are we not getting as many hotbars as we want on our screen ? It is absurd it would take a day max to code more hotbars into the UI yet we get ignored about it.

by the way I own a G19 and naga so my post isnt some biased opinion of someone who cant afford the hardware.

No, no you're completely wrong. That was purposefully done as a design choice to increase the difficulty of the game. Don't you understand?!

Including macros would do nothing more but to make an easy game even easier! Gosh, you guys who are complaining that this game is easy enough already want to make it even easier!

(I hope you can discern the sarcasm but that's literally the gist of the argument of the against-macros population. It's sad and pathetic; it lacks any kind of technical reinforcement for their argument. It's simply a group of people who are risk-averse, non-technical and are extremely scared of anything that takes them out of their comfort zone. It's so obvious to see it's painful to witness such resistance to change whenever something new could be introduced).

At this point, those people include this game's developers. I am willing to consider them experts, especially when their opinions are dovetailling with my own on the topic as well as many gaming veterans.

This is not a matter of what games should include, it's a matter of what is right for the game they are trying to make and the players they are trying to cater to.

For most people (read: all the people who don't understand how macros work), they believe that macros will enable a "one-button" rotation to work.

There's already a one-button rotation class and it's called Bounty Hunter/Trooper people. I don't see people complaining against the insane macro that is Grav Round/Tracer Missile.