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The Part About 1.2 Skipped Over

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The Part About 1.2 Skipped Over

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Andryah
03.05.2012 , 08:00 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Tarka View Post
It's not what is in 1.2 that I was hoping to have been given some information on. It's what comes after it that I was curious about. Perhaps even a "Development Roadmap"?

Essentially the "Guild Summit" ended up being what I thought it was going to be: basically a PR showcase for 1.2. No more.

They refused to talk about certain other parts, because that's Bioware. But using the "mushroom method" for communication may (note, I didn't say "will") end up biting them in the proverbial ***.
A few points for you to embrace rather then being constantly dismissive in your rhetoric:

1) no MMO company releases their roadmaps to the general populace. They do however talk about different elements within their roadmaps when they have summits or other player centered events in RL. You know this, yet you insist on applying the standard as a judgement upoin Bioware.

2) They actually discussed quite a lot of things they have planned and coming over the next year during the summit, stuff well beyond 1.2. Most of it is summarized here: http://dulfy.net/2012/03/05/swtor-gu...live-blogging/

3) the use of the "mushroom method" in the context of Bioware not even an hour after they concluded an all day summit where they disclosed a great deal about 1.2, their roadmap plans, and open Q&A cycles all day (and not just from the audience, they answered questions coming in from live feed as well) is just more rhetoric and axe grinding.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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Andryah
03.05.2012 , 08:03 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Tarka View Post
Personally I think that if BWA just throw more flashpoints, warzones and operations at it, then that won't be enough.
Nowhere did they ever indicate today that this was the center of their efforts. It is simply facet out of many facets they are working on for this game.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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grandmthethird
03.05.2012 , 08:03 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Tarka View Post
They actually said that they have "lots of cool designs for minigames" and that they were eager to put them in. But, they (I believe it was Daniel Erickson who said it) also implied that such things are way off in the future.

Yes, Damian said that they were eager for things like Guild Ships. But again, they implied it was in the distant future.

Essentially, I got the feeling that unless something was in 1.2, then Bioware weren't really prepared to talk about it much. A couple of subjects they point blank refused to discuss at all. One of which is close to both our hearts


In short, I look upon 1.2 as a "catch up" patch. It addresses SOME issues and is a step in the right direction. That much is true. But it's far from being "enough" for long.
it makes sense. if you tell ppl details of a grand plan for an idea in the works. get ppls hopes up. but then have to scrap that idea for one reason or another. you look like an idiot.

one of the devs said. they don't like to talk about something till they seen it working

its just good practice

so there is no wonder you got no details about these things other than, they want to do it some time in the future.

funny thing is, i think most of the QQ'ers already know this. they just love to complain
"Hope has a vicious enemy called fate"

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dnomz
03.05.2012 , 08:04 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Joonbeams View Post
"Other Legacy unlocks will not be available until you've leveled a class to 50, however. Such is the case with unlocking new skills. Do you wish your Bounty Hunter could shoot Force lightning? After 1.2, if you relate the Bounty Hunter to a level 50 Inquisitor, it'll be possible, though with some significant limitations. A Bounty Hunter won't suddenly turn into a Force-wielding super user. Every class has a heroic moment ability which requires the presence of a companion to activate. Only by using these heroic moment abilities will you be able to access the cross-class Legacy abilities. That essentially means you can only use the abilities out in the questing world; they're locked out when you're in a full group or in a PvP Warzone. "It's a balancing mechanism. We wanted to make the abilities powerful and useful but we know that some players are going to eventually have all seven others on one character. We had to be cognizant of that when we were creating them so we don't give the player seven super-powerful abilities he can use in rapid succession." http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1219843p1.html

So there you have it. This is just for PvE, only a "heroic moment", and requires a companion to activate. And it's unlocked at lvl 50, tied to legacy of a lvl 50 (i.e. you need a lvl 50 inquisitor for you lvl 20 BH cousin to shoot lightning), and consistent with lore on force-adepts. You won't be seeing Sith BHs anytime soon on the fleet. But still there is gnashing of teeth and "seething" all over.

Thank you BW for this and the other great goodies "promised" in 1.2! Can.Not.Wait!!

Edited for color.
This is the most pathetic implemention I have ever seen...

A Bounty Hunter using Force Lightning.... REALLY?!

It takes a Jedi/Sith YEARS of practice to learn to use the force. But in this game we have simple Bounty Hunters (read: people like you and me who basically slap on some armor and take a gun and earn their money killing bounties) suddenly start using force!

And lol in order to use it u CAN'T be in a party u CAN'T be in a PvP zone u MUST have ur companion and and did I forget to mention you MUST and MUST NOT DO all the rest?

Really... it sounds to me like something stupid, something you'll never use. At the same time it goes heavily against lore. Basically you are making people very angry and for what? For nothing.

Keep it up BW. Thought i'll come back after 6 months once I leave this game 20 march, but as it stands right now i'm basically done with this game alltogether.

If I ever wanna have fun in the Old Republic again, i'll just install KotOR again.

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Tarka
03.05.2012 , 08:05 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
A few points for you to embrace rather then being constantly dismissive in your rhetoric:

1) no MMO company releases their roadmaps to the general populace. They do however talk about different elements within their roadmaps when they have summits or other player centered events in RL. You know this, yet you insist on applying the standard as a judgement upoin Bioware.
Actually others do. Funcom is one that springs to mind.

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2) They actually discussed quite a lot of things they have planned and coming over the next year during the summit, stuff well beyond 1.2. Most of it is summarized here: http://dulfy.net/2012/03/05/swtor-gu...live-blogging/
Expressing desires to do something, and expressing good intentions does not bring something into reality. Many times I've seen MMO devs express their desire to do something in particular, only for it to be continually pushed further and further back. Sometimes to the point whereby it loses whatever positive effect it would have had.

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3) the use of the "mushroom method" in the context of Bioware not even an hour after they concluded an all day summit where they disclosed a great deal about 1.2, their roadmap plans, and open Q&A cycles all day (and not just from the audience, they answered questions coming in from live feed as well).
Sigh. You might think that a "Summit" is the perfect justification to prove that Bioware are great at communication, but I would disagree. The purpose of the summit was mainly to showcase 1.2 and get a bit of feedback from the (120?) guild leaders who where there. They persistently refuse to discuss much beyond 1.2, as is Bioware's way.
Supporter of having the following in the game:
Full Control Space Combat, More Playable Species (not unlockable),
Swimming, Sitting In Chairs, Planetary Day / Night Cycles and other MMORPG elements
MMO's are not meant to be films, and neither should they be movie-studio set tours

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Tarka
03.05.2012 , 08:06 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Nowhere did they ever indicate today that this was the center of their efforts. It is simply facet out of many facets they are working on for this game.
And nowhere did I state it either. Note, I used the word "if" in my post.

Andryah, with all due respect, it may be worth completely understanding a post before jumping on it. Plus, you don't have to defend Bioware. They are big boys and girls who can fight their own battles.
Supporter of having the following in the game:
Full Control Space Combat, More Playable Species (not unlockable),
Swimming, Sitting In Chairs, Planetary Day / Night Cycles and other MMORPG elements
MMO's are not meant to be films, and neither should they be movie-studio set tours

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Tarka
03.05.2012 , 08:12 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by grandmthethird View Post
it makes sense. if you tell ppl details of a grand plan for an idea in the works. get ppls hopes up. but then have to scrap that idea for one reason or another. you look like an idiot.
I understand and appreciate what you're saying. But there's a HUGE difference in time between the initial thoughts being knocked around by devs, and the "core" being laid down to the point whereby the general aims can be discussed.

Then, as more time passes, more specifics can be given out.

Thing is, the devs only need to constantly re-iterate how things are subject to change for them to cover their proverbial asses in such discussions.

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one of the devs said. they don't like to talk about something till they seen it working

its just good practice

so there is no wonder you got no details about these things other than, they want to do it some time in the future.

funny thing is, i think most of the QQ'ers already know this. they just love to complain
I think otherwise. I view those "QQ'ers" as people with valid concerns who for the most part are passionate about wanting to see this game reach its fullest potential.

Now, whilst there will perhaps be some individuals with such expectations that not even the devs could possibly consider "reasonable", I think that the majority have pretty reasonable expectations. After all, we are here because we WANT the game to succeed. But they KNOW that the clock is ticking. And they feel that they need to voice their concerns before it's too late.

This is why I think its ironic that whilst those "QQ'ers", as you put it, are eager for the devs to do great things, it's the ardent defenders of the devs who are opposed to such concerns. And will try anything to discredit the concerns that people have as nothing more than "whining" or "QQing".
Supporter of having the following in the game:
Full Control Space Combat, More Playable Species (not unlockable),
Swimming, Sitting In Chairs, Planetary Day / Night Cycles and other MMORPG elements
MMO's are not meant to be films, and neither should they be movie-studio set tours

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kisharrr
03.05.2012 , 08:16 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by khsolo View Post
We need less lightning not more, 57 - 43 is not encouraging, its a 33%+ imbalance
Your math is odd. I read that as a 14-point difference, not 33.

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Tarka
03.05.2012 , 08:18 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by kisharrr View Post
Your math is odd. I read that as a 14-point difference, not 33.
Erm, you are both in fact correct in regards to the calculations.

57 - 43 = 14 points
14 / 43 = 33 % difference

I think you missed where the quoted poster indicated the value as a percentage?
Supporter of having the following in the game:
Full Control Space Combat, More Playable Species (not unlockable),
Swimming, Sitting In Chairs, Planetary Day / Night Cycles and other MMORPG elements
MMO's are not meant to be films, and neither should they be movie-studio set tours

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kisharrr
03.05.2012 , 08:20 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by dnomz View Post
This is the most pathetic implemention I have ever seen...

A Bounty Hunter using Force Lightning.... REALLY?!

It takes a Jedi/Sith YEARS of practice to learn to use the force. But in this game we have simple Bounty Hunters (read: people like you and me who basically slap on some armor and take a gun and earn their money killing bounties) suddenly start using force!

And lol in order to use it u CAN'T be in a party u CAN'T be in a PvP zone u MUST have ur companion and and did I forget to mention you MUST and MUST NOT DO all the rest?

Really... it sounds to me like something stupid, something you'll never use. At the same time it goes heavily against lore. Basically you are making people very angry and for what? For nothing.

Keep it up BW. Thought i'll come back after 6 months once I leave this game 20 march, but as it stands right now i'm basically done with this game alltogether.

If I ever wanna have fun in the Old Republic again, i'll just install KotOR again.
Legacy has never been about endgame or pvp or whatever, it's entirely for role play and casual. It's just a cool, gee-whiz thing that you can do because your character's father was a sith. There's nothing that breaks the game here, and there's nothing that breaks the lore here. Move along.