This game lacks epeen

Unfortunately if it does go F2Play I will definitely NOT be playing it. One of the things I like is the PvP and the fact that we all are on an even playing field so now it comes down to skill. Once a F2Play model is introduced people will buy superior items and blah blah blah, well you know where this is going.

Perhaps, but for me it's that I've been through the insane gaming and decided that life is too short and got enough to stress over to go out and look for more while gaming. I can play. Damn good in my opinion and win or lose my trill comes from the battle not from the shiny. Now don't get me wrong I like to have my character looking good but it does not have to be some ultra rare item. My Shadow is wearing IMO the best looking custom gear in the game. It's social gear and easy to come by and I could see 20 people wearing it that takes nothing away from how good I believe my character looks.

So what you're saying then, is that "If TOR wants to grow, it ABSOLUTELY needs" to become an FPS or RTS somehow, rather than the RPG is was designed, and promoted to be?

I think it's fair to say that the majority came to this game with the expectation that it's a "story driven RPG." So it makes sense that the majority are not concerned with anyone's e-peen, and will resent any efforts to get the devs to change the game into something it was never intended to be.

They have added, and are continuing to add, things for the e-peen crowd and yet that crowd won't be happy until they've turned the game into something else altogether.

Again.....This is NOT a FPS. This is NOT a RTS. This IS a RPG.

I feel the same. I find it so sad that here we have, finally, a true RPG mmo, and the loud minority is vehemently demanding that the game be changed.

I can only pray that BW will stick to their original, stated, intentions for this game. That's what drew most of us, with the exception of those who want it to be something it's not.

Reminds me of the old schtick about love & marriage...."I love you, you're perfect, now change."

I'd stop short of calling it a "true RPG MMO" as the MMO aspect is probably a bit light to the general MMO player but, an "RPGMMO" might be a good new way to label it as a genre.

I can definitely understand the disappointment of those who bought it expecting something else or who really wanted a more competition-oriented SW game but, I do feel like all groups end up better served when each game aims at a more specific part of the market.

It's not just a matter of making one game do more things. Sometimes catering to one group means neglecting another and there is no way to make both happy. Seems like someone in the industry would be a lot more likely to make a more hard-core oriented game if they new they would have one less major game fighting to cater to them.

You left off the part where the game is actually supposed to be a "story driven MMORPG"--there's a big difference. That RPG foundation is already in place and the leveling experience in this game is rivaled by no others in the genre; however, where is the lasting appeal? You can tell me to roll an alt, and I'll respond with an "I don't enjoy playing alts when 80% of the content is exactly the same the second time through."

The leveling experience is always going to be story driven, and I expect Bioware to expand upon it with new quests, zones, etc. for alts. When that happens, I'll gladly re-roll a character and dive in. As it stands now, I have absolutely no desire to do so, so we're left with very little to do to appease players that would prefer to spend their time at max level developing their character.

As for my reference to RTS & FPS, I think you misconstrued where I was trying to go with that. I'm saying if TOR wants to grow, it needs systems in place to reward players for progression at max level--a way to compare themselves to others on the server (aka epeen) in a competitive environment. We're already seeing hints of this in 1.2 with the ability to play ranked PvP matches via solo or group queues. This is going to be an excellent feature for PvP players and I'm confident that it will bring players in. Those are the kinds of features that will keep subscribers coming back for more. For some reason, many people just don't get tired of grinding to be the best.

I don't understand this, where exactly is the story after you've finished your class quest?

I hear ya....do I ever hear ya.

100% agree.

I want this game to stay true to it's roots, and keep the story front and center.

May be on to something there. I'm pushing 60...hard. If I want a challenge, real life offers and has offered plenty. I play games to relax and socialise.

And I don't feel the need for validation from total strangers, especially in pixel-form.

Now...get off my damned lawn.

I look forward to the new content I have not even seen yet and wonder what will lay ahead. I think many people need to understand that this game is still huge especially since it is a young release but it will be growing even more.

It lacks the content of the other game that is 7 years older then it and THAT is the honest truth of all this. It is hardly perfect but they are working on it. I have yet to set foot in an operation and I know I have also yet to experience the content that is in place. I do not suspect I will see it all before the next big release.

So I would suggest those who feel it lacks so much for them to do to either wait for content, make less flame worthy comment and offer sound suggestions, or seek their entertainment elsewhere.

purple truth here 100% agree.